I've just been reading about Shani Louk, the young girl we saw in the back of that pick up truck on the morning of 7th October. They've only found her head, so hopefully she was already dead in the back of that truck. Bloody butchers need to be wiped out.
A bit confusing ... Netanyahu said she'd been decapitated ... her father said she had not and was killed instantly.
The media and propagandists are having a field day.
Still ... dead is dead.... sand brutally so.
With over 8,000 people dead in Gaza I'd say both sides are butchers.
It is a flamin mess.
Dreadful. If you're going to kill someone, do it quickly and as painlessly as possible. No need whatsoever to cause families and friends further angst.
Complete twats and any "justification" for the attack has been completely blown out of the water
I had fond hopes ( when I was still an expiring optimist) that the UN would send a peacekeeping force there to keep them from each others throats but no such luck.
The main probems are it can be very difficult to be sure if you are looking at a terrorist or some poor sod just caught up in it.
Plus Hamas are quite keen on hiding in the middle of non terrorists and stopping them from moving off.
The only way the Israelis can stop attrocities and rockets is to destroy all the Hamas capability to do that stuff. The only way they can destroy Hamas capability is to destroy all their kit and kill all their fighters.
Hamas will try to ensure that many non terrorists take the exit along with themselves.
We can see from what happens on our own and other European country's streets that there is a lot of support for Hamas. How many of those are potential terrorists? We can be pretty sure that they are all anti Zionists and probabky most anti Semites.
If there is a cease fire or it stops without all of Hamas destroyed Israel has lost which is what I expect once the bodies start piling up.
FWIW, anyone in the UK found supporting Hamas should be stripped of UK citizenship and immediately deported to Gaza.
Give unto Caesar...
hear, hear!
Quote from: morty on October 30, 2023, 08:42:47 PMA bit confusing ... Netanyahu said she'd been decapitated ... her father said she had not and was killed instantly.
The media and propagandists are having a field day.
Still ... dead is dead.... sand brutally so.
With over 8,000 people dead in Gaza I'd say both sides are butchers.
It is a flamin mess.
I just don't know how you can call the Israeli people 'butchers', putting them in the same category as Hamas.
It is exactly the reaction Hamas want though...
That's true, they have à well organised propaganda machine.
Morty, although I agree that both sides have got murderous intent, one surely has to consider the objectives, targets and methodologies employed.
You have written numerous posts on this over the years and naturally I'm happy to be educated if I'm in error.
My simplistic understanding is that Hamas aren't really after a political settlement, but have an intent on eliminating Israel and its Jewish population in its entirety. They use civilians as protective shields.
Israel, although expanding its territory (often in a bullish manner) is at least playing lip service to the concept that deaths of innocents is unfortunate collateral damage.
I thought it bare face hypocracy that Putin tried to get a UN motion passed declaring Israel to have committed war crimes.
Everybody wants goodies and baddies. Unfortunately the world also has shades of grey but imo both Putin's and Hamas's greys are as close to black as makes no odds. Of course I could have been brainwashed.
I suppose that Putin is an expert on war crimes.
They are all fighters... They all kill.. regardless of who their victims are .. Old, young, infirm, ....
Just another bloody battle going on.. The problem is that it incites terror in other countries.. They are all coming out of the woodwork.. So many supporters for Palestine.. Hamas..
What it is telling us is there are thousands of supporters in many counties.. even Australia.. That is our biggest worry.. Not a battle that has been going on for yonks..
Quote from: klondike on October 31, 2023, 07:54:53 AMIt is exactly the reaction Hamas want though...
Yes, and are probably hoping that the weak-minded will continue to support them...
including our professional protesters in Londonistan.
They are sure to.
A few years back I predicted the UK would be subject to Sharia Law by 2050. Since then we now know there are 5,000,000 Muslims registered to vote, less than 300,000 Jews. Citizen Khan will retain his foot over the throat of Londoners for as long as he wants to stay as 'Mayor'.
Last weekend a crowd conservatively estimated at 150,000 of Islamist supporters assembled in Central London. Effigies of beheaded Israeli babies were readily arrayed and cries of 'From the River, to the Sea' and 'Jihad' were openly chanted.
Meanwhile a Muslim London Tube Driver chose to utilise the train's public address system to support the chanters on board, who were heading to the demonstration.
The Police, overwhelmed and of course also outnumbered, did nothing.
The British Army has 76,225 regulars.
So true.. As I said In my reply to this thread.. They are coming out of the woodwork..
Hey guys, no problem.... I was just expressing an opinion.
In general terms any forum you go on right now is tending to be either definitely pro-Israeli and not keen on any criticsm of the Israeli government whilst others are unbiased, less emotive and harp on wistfully, possible unrealistically, about a Two State Solution rather than supporting more of the current carnage and war and death meted out from both sides...
Let's just hope sanity prevails for a calmer future for both sides and it doesn't all get out of hand.
I'll leave you to it rather than create offence.
Quote from: morty on October 31, 2023, 06:36:29 PMHey guys, no problem.... I was just expressing an opinion.
In general terms any forum you go on right now is tending to be either definitely pro-Israeli and not keen on any criticsm of the Israeli government whilst others are unbiased, less emotive and harp on wistfully, possible unrealistically, about a Two State Solution rather than supporting more of the current carnage and war and death meted out from both sides...
Let's just hope sanity prevails for a calmer future for both sides and it doesn't all get out of hand.
I'll leave you to it rather than create offence.
I was actually commenting on the title matter generally and not your opinion in particular. From my position as an existentialist, no offence was viewed or taken by your comments. I see the developing paradigm shift in the UK is also fast moving out here in the USA! I think we should all wake up and see the increasingly visceral comments that are belligerently and ever more forcefully expressed, as populative inversion swells disproportionately against the indigenous communities status quo -
"The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see."
Morty, I'm not sure that anyone has taken umbrage with your stance.
I can't speak for others, obviously, but IMHO it'll only take one loon to take an existential view and send one big mother of a bomb over in piqued last ditch retaliation. At which point, it'll be au revoir, aug wiedersehen and goodbye all round.
That's why it's all so tetchy.
Quote from: Cassandra on October 31, 2023, 04:48:20 PMThe British Army has 76,225 regulars.
So it's gone down again - the 83,000 I quoted was at least two or three years ago. They definitely couldn't fill Wembley!
Quote from: Michael Rolls on November 01, 2023, 04:10:27 AMSo it's gone down again - the 83,000 I quoted was at least two or three years ago. They definitely couldn't fill Wembley!
I think from memory also 20,000 territorials and 5,000 reservists, whatever that means. It's bound to be less in the 'drag' to allow for statistical misrepresentation (lies) anyway Mike.
so true!
Quote from: morty on October 31, 2023, 06:36:29 PMHey guys, no problem.... I was just expressing an opinion.
In general terms any forum you go on right now is tending to be either definitely pro-Israeli and not keen on any criticsm of the Israeli government whilst others are unbiased, less emotive and harp on wistfully, possible unrealistically, about a Two State Solution rather than supporting more of the current carnage and war and death meted out from both sides...
Let's just hope sanity prevails for a calmer future for both sides and it doesn't all get out of hand.
I'll leave you to it rather than create offence.
Morty... Like Cassandra ... No offence taken here.. And I do not wish to offend anyone.. on any subject that is discussed on here..
Unless it's about Lineker.. Walliams.. and Vorderman... :nooo:
Quote from: Scrumpy on November 01, 2023, 03:41:36 PMMorty... Like Cassandra ... No offence taken here.. And I do not wish to offend anyone.. on any subject that is discussed on here..
Unless it's about Lineker.. Walliams.. and Vorderman... :nooo:
Plus: Greta Thunberg, Jeremy Vine, Nicola Thorp, Tessa Dunlop, Caroline Lucas, Starmer, Ed Davey, Citizen Khan, Lammy etc etc etc :wink:
Oops a daisy.. I forgot.. Harry.. Andrew.. and Meghan..
...plus Diane Abbott.
Dawn Butler, Yvette Cooper, another vote for Meghan Maggot, John Bercow ...
there are some pretty tatty people around!
Have you ever felt a bit of a silly sausage .. :embarrassed: (don't answer, people's personal pecadilloes are private)
Oh, Harry, Meghan and Anrew definitely .. and Sunak, can I add him. A big disappointment and not an especially hard act to follow after Boris. Ee, the state of British politics.