Does the panel think that any and all silent vehicles, bikes, e-scooters and now cars, should have a compulsory noise so we can at least hear 'em before they put us in A&E? Please note, I said 'compulsory'..
yes. My hybrid emits a noise when reversing to warn people but not when going forward under electric power. Scared - not deliberately - a couple of pedestrians not paying attention and despite travelling at about 5 mph at the time, they had no idea that I was there. Do I sound my horn, risking further scaring them?
Mike
My son's does that already - below about 20mph it makes an odd humming noise. eScooters are worse as despite it being illegal they get ridden on the pavement and often quite fast. We have a lot here as it is one of the Voi scooter areas. They are a damned nuisance both on the pavements and the roads.
Quote from: Michael Rolls on May 13, 2022, 04:23:07 PM
yes. My hybrid emits a noise when reversing to warn people but not when going forward under electric power. Scared - not deliberately - a couple of pedestrians not paying attention and despite travelling at about 5 mph at the time, they had no idea that I was there. Do I sound my horn, risking further scaring them?
Mike
As I said Mike, a
COMPULSORY noise, not up to you when you think you should....which would include going forward OR backward.
I think all silent vehicles should have some sort of warning that they are moving, either forward or reverse.
I also think the pedestrian should be more aware ..
Many 'tut tut' a moving vehicle when it is clear that they ( pedestrian) are not paying attention..
Some crap drivers out there too..Ignorant regarding people on foot..
Swings and roundabouts..
Then there's those people who have earphones on. They are usually away in a world of their own, wouldn't hear a horn anyway. :shocked: :rolleyes:
Quote from: zoony on May 13, 2022, 05:50:33 PM
As I said Mike, a COMPULSORY noise, not up to you when you think you should....which would include going forward OR backward.
absolutely agree - those pedestrians had no idea that I was coming up behind them, albeit very slowly
Mike
Quote from: zoony on May 13, 2022, 03:13:50 PM
Does the panel think that any and all silent vehicles, bikes, e-scooters and now cars, should have a compulsory noise so we can at least hear 'em before they put us in A&E? Please note, I said 'compulsory'..
Most definitely, we have a few electric cars on our development, including a Tesla, & it's impossible to hear them above any ambient outside sounds.
It would take total silence before they can be heard as the only noise is the sound of the tyres when the car's too close to get out of the way if the driver doesn't stop.
Quote from: Scrumpy on May 13, 2022, 06:15:34 PM
I think all silent vehicles should have some sort of warning that they are moving, either forward or reverse.
I also think the pedestrian should be more aware ..
Many 'tut tut' a moving vehicle when it is clear that they ( pedestrian) are not paying attention..
Some crap drivers out there too..Ignorant regarding people on foot..
Swings and roundabouts..
I drive on the basis that it's my responsibilty to pay attention on behalf of the pedestrian.
I regard my driving as 10% for myself & 90% for other drivers, horse riders & pedestrians etc.
Quote from: Diasi on May 14, 2022, 08:45:54 AM
I drive on the basis that it's my responsibilty to pay attention on behalf of the pedestrian.
I regard my driving as 10% for myself & 90% for other drivers, horse riders & pedestrians etc.
Phil
I think that that is a very fair summation
Mike
It's also close to what the recent highway code changes make a requirement.
Quote from: klondike on May 14, 2022, 10:07:44 PM
It's also close to what the recent highway code changes make a requirement.
Only got the code Friday and not even really skimmed through it yet, but I was surprised at the paucity of the index (again!). Electric vehicles get just two mentions in the index, neither of which covers this point, which I would like to read - can you remember the $ ref?
Mike
It was Phil's comment about being responsible for not running over pedestrians and cyclist over I was referring to.
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/legal/new-highway-code-rules-what-you-need-to-know/#:~:text=Rule%20H2%20applies%20to%20drivers,from%20which%20you%20are%20turning.%E2%80%9D
The revised Highway Code came into effect from 29 January 2022, following calls to protect vulnerable road users. There are a significant number of changes but, from a driver's perspective, some of the biggest are:
1 creation of a new 'hierarchy of road users' that ensures those who can do the greatest harm have the greatest responsibility to reduce the danger or threat they may pose to others
2 clarify existing rules on pedestrian priority on pavements and when crossing the road
3 provide guidance on safe passing distances and ensuring cyclists and horse riders have priority when travelling straight ahead at junctions
Quote from: klondike on May 14, 2022, 10:07:44 PM
It's also close to what the recent highway code changes make a requirement.
I've always used that approach with other road users, I don't need a Highway Code to show me how to be a safe driver.
Those electric scooters are a menace in Cambridge. Especially for folk with poor hearing. I've nearly been mowed down a few times there.
Quote from: -Oy- on May 15, 2022, 10:05:44 AM
Those electric scooters are a menace in Cambridge. Especially for folk with poor hearing. I've nearly been mowed down a few times there.
I think you need above excellent hearing to hear something that's silent.
Quote from: Diasi on May 15, 2022, 10:13:15 AM
I think you need above excellent hearing to hear something that's silent.
You need to listen out for the trail of yells as other folk get mowed down on it's way to you!
Scatter ye tin-tacks while ye may... :wink:
Quote from: klondike on May 15, 2022, 08:57:07 AM
It was Phil's comment about being responsible for not running over pedestrians and cyclist over I was referring to.
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/legal/new-highway-code-rules-what-you-need-to-know/#:~:text=Rule%20H2%20applies%20to%20drivers,from%20which%20you%20are%20turning.%E2%80%9D
The revised Highway Code came into effect from 29 January 2022, following calls to protect vulnerable road users. There are a significant number of changes but, from a driver's perspective, some of the biggest are:
1 creation of a new 'hierarchy of road users' that ensures those who can do the greatest harm have the greatest responsibility to reduce the danger or threat they may pose to others
2 clarify existing rules on pedestrian priority on pavements and when crossing the road
3 provide guidance on safe passing distances and ensuring cyclists and horse riders have priority when travelling straight ahead at junctions
not really new, mostly common sense and/or courtesy, although turning into a side road and realising a pedestrian is waiting to cross as opposed to already so doing and braking runs a good risk of being rear-ended - as I have mentioned before. Not a good idea. Still can't find anything about audible warnings for silent vehicles
Mike
I find that mobility drivers can be damned ignorant too.
Many seem to think that all pedestrians should move out of the way for them..
Quote from: Michael Rolls on May 15, 2022, 05:21:07 PM
not really new, mostly common sense and/or courtesy, although turning into a side road and realising a pedestrian is waiting to cross as opposed to already so doing and braking runs a good risk of being rear-ended - as I have mentioned before. Not a good idea. Still can't find anything about audible warnings for silent vehicles
Mike
I agree that the new rules will cause problems and have already read of some cyclists riding in the middle of their lane rather than the side.
The Highway code isn't the place there will be mention of audible warnings from silent vehicles as it would be part of the Construcrion and Use regulations manufacturers have to follow.
Quote from: klondike on May 15, 2022, 10:11:58 PM
I agree that the new rules will cause problems and have already read of some cyclists riding in the middle of their lane rather than the side.
The Highway code isn't the place there will be mention of audible warnings from silent vehicles as it would be part of the Construcrion and Use regulations manufacturers have to follow.
Ah, that's why I can't find it. On cyclists - the HC does behove them to be considerate - some chance!
Mike
Fury as council tells cyclists to use the WHOLE main road rather than dedicated 7ft-wide bike lane as drivers ask: 'is there ANY room left for cars?' after change in Highway Code
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10824487/Fury-council-tells-cyclists-use-main-road-dedicated-7ft-wide-bike-lane.html
- Cyclists are being encouraged to abandon a cycle lane in Bournemouth, Dorset
- Instead, large bike signs have been painted on to a main road in the town centre
- Council hopes making cyclists more 'prominent' will force traffic to slow down
- Motorists believe the new road layout is the latest move to drive cars off the road
Wonder how the cyclists feel about being used as Bait to slow the traffic? :angry: Bad Idea. :downvote:
Quote from: Michael Rolls on May 15, 2022, 05:21:07 PM
not really new, mostly common sense and/or courtesy, although turning into a side road and realising a pedestrian is waiting to cross as opposed to already so doing and braking runs a good risk of being rear-ended
Mike
Maybe so, but my responsibilty remains to the pedestrian, not to the bad driver behind me.
Also any braking I did would be minimal as I'd only be turning at walking pace.