Despite the warnings by locals the Wind Farm went ahead, now they have disturbed the ground so much it's caused a big landslide.
Thankfully nobody was hurt......THIS TIME.
Video in link.
https://eos.org/thelandslideblog/shetland-peatslide
Quote from: Raven on May 09, 2024, 09:35:24 AMDespite the warnings by locals the Wind Farm went ahead, now they have disturbed the ground so much it's caused a big landslide.
Thankfully nobody was hurt......THIS TIME.
Video in link.
https://eos.org/thelandslideblog/shetland-peatslide
Windmills again! The Conservative party seem to be mad about them, but then the fools seem to think that if they build enough windmills they will stop 'global warming' in this country.
I assume that not one of them has a science degree.
The 'Irish' Greens made a big deal about Wind farms powering 32% of Ireland's electricity last month.
"Hopefully, this is a sign of trends that will continue out over the course of the rest of the year," he said.
"We're continuing to build more onshore wind energy; it's having a very positive impact in the price reductions that we're seeing currently in the market and that will continue over the coming months.
What happens though for the 68% of the time when the wind don't blow?
Irish Green Economics :bandaged: says build more of them - stupid morons! You can have a million windmills and if the wind don't blow they're all producing zilch! You presently can't store the stuff and if you could, imagine the fire risk of say a million EV batteries in line at one location!
Greens should be a notifiable disease, along with the entire EU ...
too daft for words!
Quote from: Cassandra on May 09, 2024, 11:03:01 AMWhat happens though for the 68% of the time when the wind don't blow?
Import lot's of AAs from China
Quote from: Cassandra on May 09, 2024, 11:03:01 AMWhat happens though for the 68% of the time when the wind don't blow?
You need to think outside the box Cass. Get a load of greens and convicts to run around, carrying the turbines with them. If the wind won't go to the turbines....😬
I have said repeatedly that we should invest more in nuclear power.
Don't need to wait for the wind to blow, or the sun to shine.
And stop whingeing about disposal of used fuel. We have hundreds of disused mine shafts; put them to use if you're not going to extract any more coal.
Quote from: JBR on May 09, 2024, 04:55:19 PMI have said repeatedly that we should invest more in nuclear power.
Don't need to wait for the wind to blow, or the sun to shine.
And stop whingeing about disposal of used fuel. We have hundreds of disused mine shafts; put them to use if you're not going to extract any more coal.
Or sell them on eBay. Bound to be some weirdo who can find a use for them 😬
That is indeed one of the problems...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb
How do the wind machines cause landslides ?
Quote from: muddy on May 10, 2024, 09:03:25 AMHow do the wind machines cause landslides ?
Do they? Where did you see that?
Quote from: muddy on May 10, 2024, 09:03:25 AMHow do the wind machines cause landslides ?
Something that tall on top of peat needs some pretty good foundations. I'm guessing that as it says on the video
"Footage captured during the event, and by drone afterwards, hints that the storage of crushed rock on the peat might have triggered the landslide." the digging, heavy machinery and materials involved in constucting those foundations on top of what sounds like a huge area of peat disturbed it enough that a thick top layer started moving and just kept on going downhill.
Quote from: muddy on May 10, 2024, 09:03:25 AMHow do the wind machines cause landslides ?
Not the wind machines, it's all the digging and disturbance to the peat fields.
Quote from: klondike on May 10, 2024, 09:44:45 AMSomething that tall on top of peat needs some pretty good foundations. I'm guessing that as it says on the video "Footage captured during the event, and by drone afterwards, hints that the storage of crushed rock on the peat might have triggered the landslide." the digging, heavy machinery and materials involved in constucting those foundations on top of what sounds like a huge area of peat disturbed it enough that a thick top layer started moving and just kept on going downhill.
I was unaware of this. In fact, I cannot believe that the people responsible for siting those windmills didn't have the common sense to consider the strength of suitable foundations and the type of land on which they were erecting those things.
Then again, this is 2024.
Quote from: JBR on May 10, 2024, 10:52:01 AMI was unaware of this. In fact, I cannot believe that the people responsible for siting those windmills didn't have the common sense to consider the strength of suitable foundations and the type of land on which they were erecting those things.
Then again, this is 2024.
They were warned over and over by the locals of what would/could happen. But they went ahead anyway....Money wins again.
Quote from: Raven on May 10, 2024, 10:58:47 AMThey were warned over and over by the locals of what would/could happen. But they went ahead anyway....Money wins again.
Well, someone has to pay, and I'm sure I'm not paying.
Surely, the company who erected them will be found to have failed to research and prepare. Why should we pay?
You'll pay indirectly. The last round of turbine licences remained unsubscribed until the agreed price for the energy was increased. Rishi doesn't pay that personally. We all do in increased energy prices.
They'll obviously site turbines where there is the most reliable wind. Where they failed was in putting that above where they could safely be erected. There is only a pause in the process. They will wait a while and then just carry on with maybe some small change in procedure.
Quote from: JBR on May 10, 2024, 10:52:01 AMI was unaware of this. In fact, I cannot believe that the people responsible for siting those windmills didn't have the common sense to consider the strength of suitable foundations and the type of land on which they were erecting those things.
Then again, this is 2024.
In the North of England in Lincolnshire, 'Lord Camerons father in law' Sir Reginald Sheffield', is big into the scheme
(funny that). The Windmill Barons receive 'Wayleave' remittances termed
Constraint payments. So when the wind blows too much and the National Grid can't carry any more current than presently being consumed they get turned off. 'Reggie' and his mates however still get paid by HMG as if they are at it full bore. They then leave their ugly towers turned on however and sell the energy to 'Private Consumers' or battery farms at a cheaper rate!
As Del Boy would say
lubbly jubbly - you couldn't make it up!
When I told my American pals over here the story they at first refused to believe it (Gov't Scuttlebuck they called it) and of course they're right. One said even "Richard Nixon would get jail for that, these guys must pray for still days - double your money"!
When Starmer gets in, the full disclosure of a lot of the skullduggery of schemes like this over the past 14 years will hit the ventilator big time. He'll make sure of it. The 'Blue Rat One Nation/Green Tory Bawbags know this too. Thay's why they're deserting the ship big time compared even to previous Tory meltdowns ...
Quote from: Cassandra on May 10, 2024, 02:56:34 PMIn the North of England in Lincolnshire, 'Lord Camerons father in law' Sir Reginald Sheffield', is big into the scheme (funny that). The Windmill Barons receive 'Wayleave' remittances termed Constraint payments. So when the wind blows too much and the National Grid can't carry any more current than presently being consumed they get turned off. 'Reggie' and his mates however still get paid by HMG as if they are at it full bore. They then leave their ugly towers turned on however and sell the energy to 'Private Consumers' or battery farms at a cheaper rate!
As Del Boy would say lubbly jubbly - you couldn't make it up!
When I told my American pals over here the story they at first refused to believe it (Gov't Scuttlebuck they called it) and of course they're right. One said even "Richard Nixon would get jail for that, these guys must pray for still days - double your money"!
When Starmer gets in, the full disclosure of a lot of the skullduggery of schemes like this over the past 14 years will hit the ventilator big time. He'll make sure of it. The 'Blue Rat One Nation/Green Tory Bawbags know this too. Thay's why they're deserting the ship big time compared even to previous Tory meltdowns ...
Well said, Cass.
I can't wait to hear what Sir Kneel says (assuming he does get into government).
I didn't know about selling surplus electricity to private consumers, though. In fact, I was under the belief that if the wind is too strong they stop and feather the windmill vanes to prevent damage to them, though I stand to be corrected of course.
As for Lincolnshire being in the North, oh dear no. Definitely not! We Northerners, especially Yorkies, are rather particular about who we admit into our sacred parts of England.
No, Lincolnshire is most definitely in either the Midlands or the East. 😉
I don't consider any of England to be up North. To us real northern folks your way down south. North is where we are, smack on the Pentland Firth. :1020:
Quote from: JBR on May 10, 2024, 03:14:44 PMI didn't know about selling surplus electricity to private consumers, though. In fact, I was under the belief that if the wind is too strong they stop and feather the windmill vanes to prevent damage to them, though I stand to be corrected of course.
I didn't know about alternate sales but I think there are two reasons for stopping them spinning. I think they get paid for both. One is when the wind would damage the turbine and the other is when the grid can't use the supply.
Quote from: Raven on May 10, 2024, 04:12:15 PMI don't consider any of England to be up North. To us real northern folks your way down south. North is where we are, smack on the Pentland Firth. :1020:
So you're in the North of England? Good for you. Certainly the best place to live...
well, apart from one or two not particularly nice places, I suppose.
Quote from: JBR on May 10, 2024, 05:06:48 PMSo you're in the North of England? Good for you.
:nooo: :nooo: :nooo:
Thank you raven and Klondike for explanations .
These things are ginormous the must weigh tomes .
Some stats in the sales pitch
https://www.sserenewables.com/news-and-views/2023/04/first-turbines-installed-at-viking-energy-wind-farm/#:~:text=The%20completed%20tip%20height%20of,blades%20at%2057m%20in%20length.
Enormous things.
Aye, you don't have these problems with nuclear power stations. 😏
The main problem with nuclear is getting the damned things actually built.
Quote from: klondike on May 11, 2024, 05:16:30 PMThe main problem with nuclear is getting the damned things actually built.
The main problem with getting the nuclear power stations built is getting the damned government to think outside their 'windmill box'.
They'll have gto eventually. 5 million static turbines are outclassed by a £300 Honda petrol generator when the wind don't blow and when it does there is no way of storing any excess energy.
Quote from: JBR on May 11, 2024, 05:55:01 PMThe main problem with getting the nuclear power stations built is getting the damned government to think outside their 'windmill box'.
We have one up here beside us.... Well, along the coast a wee bit. It's proper name is "Dounreay" but it's mostly called "The Blot"
The beach "Sandside" it overlooks is lovely, but I seldom went there for our walk.
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Quote from: Raven on May 12, 2024, 11:04:27 AMWe have one up here beside us.... Well, along the coast a wee bit. It's proper name is "Dounreay" but it's mostly called "The Blot"
The beach "Sandside" it overlooks is lovely, but I seldom went there for our walk.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XvQgNmsD/Screenshot-20240512-105956-edit-152611997248290.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
It might be a 'blot', but it's providing most of your reliable electricity.
Not anymore it's not.
Dounreay was the UK's centre of fast reactor research and development from 1955 until 1994 and is now Scotland's largest nuclear clean-up and demolition project.
I'm in favour but there is always that nagging little voice asking me why are they always sited in remote locations. Then rationality answers because of NIMBYs and the planning system.
There have been accidents but apart from Chernobyl there has been little in the way of widespread contamination or casualties.
If we are going to continue in a world of comfort with increasing energy demand and not return to one of hunter gatherers rubbing boy scouts together or whatever it is you do to light a campfire then nuclear will need to form part of the mix of energy sources.
This is why I don't go to Sandside.
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Quote from: Raven on May 12, 2024, 11:21:29 AMNot anymore it's not.
Dounreay was the UK's centre of fast reactor research and development from 1955 until 1994 and is now Scotland's largest nuclear clean-up and demolition project.
Well it was worth it then!
Dounreay was where all the 'naughty boys' got transferred to :grin:
Quote from: Alex on May 13, 2024, 02:31:37 PMDounreay was where all the 'naughty boys' got transferred to :grin:
But wasn't it part of our research? Of course, that was in the days when we were world leaders in the development of nuclear power production.
I saw something a little depressing about fusion reactors on YouTube the other day. The easiest fuel to get to work (which is still a long way from easy) is a mix of two isotopes of hydrogen - deuterium and tritium.
The supply of deuterium is pretty much limitless as it occurs naturally and there is enough in the oceans to power us for millions of years.
Not so tritium. There are no natural sources and the total world supply is a byproduct of some fission reactors. Total world supply is about 25kg and to get a fusion reactor going takes 10 to 15kg. The main source reactors have been shut down. It has a half life of iirc 12 years. This shortage will probably stop future reactors using it and they will need to be deuterium fuelled only which is apparently a lot harder to make work.
Bet on the harder route to be the one the bleedin Greens will want!
Why are Greens mainly women and why ugly ones like Bennet and that maggot Thunberg?
Quote from: JBR on May 13, 2024, 02:45:15 PMBut wasn't it part of our research? Of course, that was in the days when we were world leaders in the development of nuclear power production.
Yes, sorry JBR I should have said it was the UKAEA Police who were banished to Dounreay :grin:
Quote from: Alex on May 13, 2024, 05:12:02 PMYes, sorry JBR I should have said it was the UKAEA Police who were banished to Dounreay :grin:
Oh dear. Were they naughty little policemen, like the ones Khan governs?
I'd banish Khan to Dounreay if I could.
Quote from: klondike on May 12, 2024, 11:26:15 AMI'm in favour but there is always that nagging little voice asking me why are they always sited in remote locations. Then rationality answers because of NIMBYs and the planning system.
There have been accidents but apart from Chernobyl there has been little in the way of widespread contamination or casualties.
If we are going to continue in a world of comfort with increasing energy demand and not return to one of hunter gatherers rubbing boy scouts together or whatever it is you do to light a campfire then nuclear will need to form part of the mix of energy sources.
If we were all hunter gatherers it would solve the obesity problem
The transistion would likely be an extinction event. The number of modern humans capable of surviving as hunter gatherers is going to be tiny. How long do you think you'd last?
Not long .
I can't find things if I go to a different supermarket much less searching for na few nuts and berries.
I suppose I would have to live off nettle soup.
Quote from: JBR on May 13, 2024, 07:24:10 PMOh dear. Were they naughty little policemen, like the ones Khan governs?
I'd banish Khan to Dounreay if I could.
Yes absolutely ~ right down one of the reactor rod silo's
Quote from: Cassandra on May 14, 2024, 07:48:12 PMYes absolutely ~ right down one of the reactor rod silo's
He can't complain. It'll be nice and warm for him.
Quote from: muddy on May 14, 2024, 06:24:06 PMNot long .
I can't find things if I go to a different supermarket much less searching for na few nuts and berries.
I suppose I would have to live off nettle soup.
Having watched Clarkson's farm I do know a little about that. Mostly using a weird hoover device to collect them doesn't work and using schoolkids makes it a bit too expensive. Like most of the stuff in his farmshop from what I could see.