Liz Truss has said that the "best thing to do with Nicola Sturgeon is ignore her" and branded the First Minister an "attention seeker"
She's right of course, but it's hardly building bridges with Scotland is it ? Like it or not, wee Krankie was voted in by the misguided Scottish electorate.
Not a wise move at the moment to say bad things about other leaders in politics..
I wondered when this would be brought up. It was the talk on the Phone In programme I listen to on Radio Scotland. She has earned herself the undying hatred of most of Scotland. It was the/is the talk of the village, Tesco in Wick, and the pool this morning. People are fuming at her insulting nasty comments. Nicola is a FM voted in by the people of Scotland, all fair and square, Truss had no need to pour out her vileness like that and I believe she will live to regret it. She has changed No Voters into Yes Voters as they are taking it personally and feel both Scotland and her people have been insulted.
When I heard those people she was speaking to cheer at her words my blood ran cold, then hot, very hot.......Up The Jacobites.
But it was OK for Sturgeon to call Boris ' corrupt' ' a scaredy cat' 'juvenile' 'a liar' etc etc.... Whether those slurs are true or not, Sturgeon was wrong to name call. As to "vileness" Raven, all Truss said was Sturgeon is an attention seeker, I can't see anything vile about that.
These are a few examples of how feelings are in Scotland just now. Truss has insulted all of us and our country.
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Nicola Sturgeon is an 'attention seeker' says Liz Truss (pictured)
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I'm not Scottish but after hearing Liz Truss and her "I'll just ignore Nicola Sturgeon" comments my anger is through the roof, Ms Sturgeon was elected by the people of Scotland, Truss will be elected by 0.03% of the population, fuck the tories i back Scottish independence..
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Fair to say the love of the golf club bores and right wing rags is going to
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and her dismissal of a serially elected leader as 'an attention seeker' is both mindblowingly stupid as well as deeply offensive 1/4
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"The best thing to do with
@NicolaSturgeon
is ignore her" - If Liz Truss becomes PM and her policy is to ignore democratically elected leaders then she's just made the best argument for Scottish Independence yet
It doesn't matter what the public think, the matter will be decided by the Con party alone.
Why should they have to give permission in the first place?
Why are they so desperate to keep us?
What are they going to lose if we go?
Quote from: Raven on August 02, 2022, 02:38:16 PMWhy should they have to give permission in the first place?
Why are they so desperate to keep us?
What are they going to lose if we go?
I have no idea. If Scotland became independent, the Tories would gain an extra majority of 59 seats overnight at Westminster, almost certainly committing both Starmer and Labour to the dust bin of History. Same time clearing England of a huge deficit and open up a bargaining tool with Sturgeon's beloved EU to re-negotiate the N.I. border with.
In likelihood the EU won't want another hungry mouth to underwrite and would the SNP press ahead for a Nationwide decision; with no Barnett formula and higher recovery costs on ever deeper North Sea Oil seams as a medley? Conversely for them the SNP would have a massive majority in the new administration and Sturgeon could choose to ignore the ideological Green party.
At least both sides could say post-split, it was Scotland's call to vote and if it came to it, their choice to secede?
I think Truss is intelligently appealing to an increasing swell of English people who now want separation for the reasons above. After all sadly but clearly there is now a mutually expanding distrust between the Nation peoples and maybe surgery is the only way forward for both viewpoints to co-exist in a batter way in the future?
Why not let Scotland have a referendum whenever they choose - every other month if so desired, let them be proactive about this - England can't lose? Perhaps a ballot in England
(in which all the Scot ex pats could vote) as to Scottish separation would be a good idea? At least to gage how the other half feel and give them a chance to respond to Sturgeon's disappointing, but understandably strategic insults every few weeks, which are increasing tiresome to endure.
Scottish nationalism is as much an anti-Tory movement as it is a genuine desire to put an international border between England and Scotland.
Sturgeon has demonstrated that an independent Scotland would be a more authoritarian place than the UK. She has shown just a little too much delight in telling Scots what to do. Whenever the UK government wanted to open up even just a little, Sturgeon chose for Scots to have less freedom. When England said that people didn't need masks, Sturgeon said Scots have to wear them for years to come.
Young Scots who cannot even remember when the SNP did not rule are getting tired of the authoritarianism. If you don't want to wear a mask forever, if you like being able to go to a party in England, if you sing rude songs about Sturgeon and the SNP, it might just be the time to vote for someone else, otherwise your dissent and your disobedience looks a bit like naughty schoolchildren doing what they are told again as soon as teacher comes back into the classroom.
Quotes from the amazing Effie Deans :clap:
She should just be given her referendum imo. I doubt it would be won but if it were I don't see the divorce being a problem for England and Wales. It may cause problems in NI I suppose as it would strengthen the nationalists hands. That is up to the residents of NI to decide on too though as indeed it would be for Wales although I can't see there being any separation there.
Denying another referendum strengthens Surgeon's hand imo.
How on earth would you police an England Scotland border ? :hmm:
A problem for the Scots not us. Why would we want to? The Romans never had much luck with that.
The Romans built Hadrian's Wall, I think it was to tell them where to stop.
I would much rather have England as a good friend and neighbour, than as our overseer and all the bad feelings that go with that.
Why do you see England as an overseer?
I don't expect this to go down well but...
The Westminster Parliament is the GB Parliament not the English Parliament (we are the only one of the four nations that make up Great Britain) that doesn't have its own).
Certainly there are more English MPs than Scottish MPs but that is because there are more English than Scotts. In fact there about 7% more English voters per MP than Scottish voters per MP. So Scotland is over represented.
I can see the only way to settle this is to fight.
Because what English MPs want they get, every time an SNP member gets up to say anything he is immediately jeered at, shouted down, sniggered at. It's disgusting behaviour by people who hate the Scots being there. I see it every time the chamber is on the News. They want Scotland to shut up, get back in the box, and do as we are told. It's been going on for centuries and it's going to stop.
Even on here today I read I'm part of a misguided electorate.
I'm not misguided at all, I knew exactly what I was voting for.
Perhaps we should have a referendum on whether to hold a referendum.
When I saw the scale of the SNP's victory I couldn't really see how Westminster could deny them a referendum on independence, but they did agree at the time that it was once and for a generation.
Now we have the precedent of the Donbass declaring themselves independent.
Quote from: Ashy on August 02, 2022, 10:43:44 PMPerhaps we should have a referendum on whether to hold a referendum.
When I saw the scale of the SNP's victory I couldn't really see how Westminster could deny them a referendum on independence, but they did agree at the time that it was once and for a generation.
Now we have the precedent of the Donbass declaring themselves independent.
The reason things changed and the SNP wanted another vote is because they were lied to.
They were promised we would be saying in the EU, next thing the Tories went back on their word and took us out.
I also have personal experience of the lies. My mother was in Sheltered housing at the time and the tenants got a visit in the lounge from the Tory councillors. They didn't expect to be challenged on their lies but I was not going to sit there and listen to them scaring the older pensioners. When they said all their pensions would be stopped if we left I had had enough, and stood up and called him a bloody liar to his face.
He blustered and stammered as I raved at him and suddenly he remembered an appointment. Yes I hate the Tories with every fibre of my being and I'm not afraid to say it or call them out, but they only have their invited audiences at their wee TV questions, they are too scared of people who challenge them and ask awkward questions, how I would love to go to one of their shows.
August 02, 2022, 11:13:10 PMAnyway I have said enough, more than enough. These type of Threads get me angry and upset so I will now bow out.
Scotland should have its referendum, pay for it, and accept its outcome as final. With roughly the same population as Yorkshire, it does pretty well out of UK funds as a whole, so money can't be the main driver. Perhaps if I still lived there I wouldn't see the bigger picture, and feel hard done to.
I actually think Sturgeon & Co should be looking at a very big issue, the high numbers of drug related deaths. The highest in Europe by far. Probably the fault of the Tories....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58024296
Actually GM I agree with you, personally I don't think this is the right time, too much else is needed to be done. But they were elected on a 2nd ref promise and she has to honour that promise. I also think she will have been put under pressure to do it.
Quote from: Cassandra on August 02, 2022, 03:46:05 PMI have no idea. If Scotland became independent, the Tories would gain an extra majority of 59 seats overnight at Westminster, almost certainly committing both Starmer and Labour to the dust bin of History. Same time clearing England of a huge deficit and open up a bargaining tool with Sturgeon's beloved EU to re-negotiate the N.I. border with.
In likelihood the EU won't want another hungry mouth to underwrite and would the SNP press ahead for a Nationwide decision; with no Barnett formula and higher recovery costs on ever deeper North Sea Oil seams as a medley? Conversely for them the SNP would have a massive majority in the new administration and Sturgeon could choose to ignore the ideological Green party.
At least both sides could say post-split, it was Scotland's call to vote and if it came to it, their choice to secede?
I think Truss is intelligently appealing to an increasing swell of English people who now want separation for the reasons above. After all sadly but clearly there is now a mutually expanding distrust between the Nation peoples and maybe surgery is the only way forward for both viewpoints to co-exist in a batter way in the future?
Why not let Scotland have a referendum whenever they choose - every other month if so desired, let them be proactive about this - England can't lose? Perhaps a ballot in England (in which all the Scot ex pats could vote) as to Scottish separation would be a good idea? At least to gage how the other half feel and give them a chance to respond to Sturgeon's disappointing, but understandably strategic insults every few weeks, which are increasing tiresome to endure.
I've long said we should get rid of this irksome little backwater for the reasons you have outlined.
Scotland has a similar population to the individual populations of 75% of the English regions & only around half the population of London.
Scotland's capital, Edinburgh, has a smaller population than Sheffield, which isn't even the capital city of an English region.
Talk about the tail that wants to wag the dog.
Quote from: Ashy on August 02, 2022, 10:38:58 PMI can see the only way to settle this is to fight.
I agree... I will be armed with my pitchfork.. They don't like it up 'em. :waiting: :waiting:
Quote from: Raven on August 02, 2022, 11:29:20 PMthey were elected on a 2nd ref promise
She may as well have promised a Scottish moon landing. You can't promise something that isn't actually in your power to grant.
As I said I believe they should be given another referendum. As many referendums as they want come to that. One every week if they choose but they should be paid for by extra Scottish income tax which is something she does have the power to control.
And income tax in Scotland is already higher than in the rest of the UK
As I said she has the power to raise extra income tax already.
The 2014 referendum cost the Scottish taxpayer £15.85 million. Scotland raises £13 billion p.a. in income tax, so the total take would only need to raise by 0.12%. 2,500,000 Scots pay income tax and, of course, the amount individuals pay varies widely. I doubt an extra 1p in the pound would be needed.
I just don't understand why the Scots on social media are up in arms about Truss's comments. She said Sturgeon is an attention seeker. She didn't say the Scottish nation are attention seekers. :wtf:
Why can't we have a Referendum on immigration in the high numbers that we have now? Essential immigrants only i.e. doctors and nurses, NOT fruit pickers, barbers or Pakistani rapists. And instant deportation on any foreign criminals and undesirables.
Why don't we vote for the parties that offer us just those things?
Quote from: Diasi on August 03, 2022, 08:28:03 AMI've long said we should get rid of this irksome little backwater for the reasons you have outlined.
Scotland has a similar population to the individual populations of 75% of the English regions & only around half the population of London.
Scotland's capital, Edinburgh, has a smaller population than Sheffield, which isn't even the capital city of an English region.
Talk about the tail that wants to wag the dog.
What I really don't get is this? Currently the representation of the SNP, Liberals and Labour in the House of Commons gives a 46 seat majority to the Scots.
So no Scots at Westminster equates to a nett gain of 46 to the Tories. Why then are they so keen to retain Scotland, whats the big deal here - sentimentality :ugh: - or am I missing something?
To England it's a lossmaker, needing ever increasing subsidy financially and to the Tories presently off-sets their 66 majority by 69%.
Who'd pay to add grit to the oil in their Car, to me madness!
Quote from: Ashy on August 03, 2022, 12:34:00 PMWhy don't we vote for the parties that offer us just those things?
That'll be because they both agree on the issues which I think the bulk of the public differ with them on. I could always be wrong and there could be majority support on mass inward migration, nett zero and the woke agenda. Those issues do not even command universal agreement here.
New parties usually get nowhere in parliamentary elections but there is at least one that does say time to call an end to the nonsense. The one the Brexit Party morphed into now called the Reform Party.
I confidently predict that it will come nowhere as the sheeple continue to vote the way their parents always did or the opposite to how their parents did in some cases.