Well they have achieved their 54 plus letters and Boris is facing a no confidence vote tonight. Any guesses will he be booted out or like the slippery customer he is will he hang on in there?
I hope he will stay, not because I think he is wonderful, I don't, I really can't think of anyone to replace him. Will all this lead to Labour getting in at the next election? a strong possibility, then god help us all.
There is just isn't a political party that I want nor trust, none of them care about the native British people (i.e. Linton on Ouse) who is standing up from them? this my country, is a place I am becoming increasingly uncomfortable in.
Totally agree Jacq.
I like Boris, he's not perfect by any means but he's the best we've got AT THE MOMENT. This is the wrong time to kick him out, the lefties are rubbing their hands with glee.
What will be will be.
Many think he is a lying toerag but kicking him out will lead to a Tory defeat at the next election.
Many think he is a lying toerag and keeping him on will lead to a Tory defeat at the next election.
I doubt there are many that don't think he is a lying toerag.
I doubt that there are many that think there is zero chance that the once thought unassailable 80 majority may be overturned at the next election.
For my own part I think he will survive as most MPs will realise one or more of these (to my mind obvious) things..
- There is nobody in the party of Prime Ministerial material.
- It is rather too close to the next election for any new candidate to get established properly to lead the party into it.
I further imagine that any of the MPs who think they are in with a chance would rather let Boris crash and burn in the polls without being seen as an axe wielder or the leader who lost an election. They will have 4 or 5 years while labour further destroy the economy before they become PM themselves.
For once I'm keeping Stum on the subject. :halo: :halo: :halo:
ok Raven, then i will speak out for the minorities...
There will be NO vote of no confidence because its like asking a Turkey if it thinks two xmas's is a good idea
a vote of no confidence would almost certainly lead to a general election, an election where 100 tory seats would be lost by voters not voting for liebour but voting against the tory party...
like most on here i recognise Boris for what he is, but who is slinking in the background?
perhaps the Scots guy who got caught disco dancing perhaps ,or Liz Truss...lol... no... MPs are mostly self serving ass-holes who will agree with every word Alex might say about the immigrants, but then dont we all, yet nothing is done other than sending even more money to France.... lets treat them as they are criminals, if you were caught on any MPs land you would certainly be prosecuted, get courts set up along the south coast and as the land prosecute them, give them a term in special prison followed by deportation back to the country they left... bloody simple.... do it Boris. you have the power.... use it or you will certainly lose it..
They (Tories) will be bloody foolish to let him go..
I reckon he will ride the storm..
He is the best they have and they know it..
I reckon we will be getting Starmer no matter what now. The biggest factor will be stuff outside of any governments control like worldwide energy and food price inflation but it is the government of the day that always gets it in the neck when the economy goes wrong. Partygate is the icing on the cake for Labour.
It may be a close-run thing but I feel he'll survive. I wish I thought he'd be a bit embarrassed but he doesn't seem to have that particular bone..
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I'll say it again,
(June 1st) ... I wouldn't be surprised if this master of mendacity and connivance hasn't orchestrated this symposium? He knows the thought of 'The Ginger Growler and her Mob' scares the daylights out of the Tory 'blue-rinse' brigade, let alone the sycophantic bunch of overpaid flunkeys he heads, scared stiff of losing their £85k salaries and exorbitant expenses.
He knows any attempt to get rid of him via his MP's would be doomed to failure, 'Turkeys don't vote for Xmas'. Thereafter, according to the 'Marquis of Queersberry' rules all they profess to follow, there can't be another leadership challenge for 12 months: in which time this master of smoke & mirrors will hope to have conned everyone all over again to his electoral invincibility.
In court he would have been termed 'an unreliable witness' another way of describing a conniver.
Of course the Machiavellian remoaners will be on board for this opportunity too. Boris though is in the very top drawer of liars and cheats. A sprat like Jeremy Hunt, the standby remoaner 'go to', is as a half-baked goblin at the feet of Satan by comparison
Cassandra..
Your reply was far more interesting to read than anything said or written by the press today..
At last someone telling it as I hope it is..
Yes, thanks Cassandra, very well put.
Just checked and the ballot is apparently open from 6pm to 8pm so I'd expect the result before 9pm.
I wondered if its real, Cassandra has described it perfectly. Like zoony, I'd have liked Boris to feel a little embarrassment, but he's not shown any.
I don't believe he'll lose. 🤞🏼🤞🏼
June 06, 2022, 09:03:19 PM
Looks like he's lived to fight another day!
If Boris told me he was lying, I wouldn't believe him!
I heard he goes running most mornings at 4:30am and gets lots of advice from men he meets in Weatherspoons.... :grin:
So he won - and considers it a victory - despite a third of his MPs being against him.
LOL
what are they thinking about? Do they want to lose the next election?
Mike
spot on Mike... hand the shambles over to stammer, who would then spend the next four years blaming the tories for leaving us in a mess... the whole world is a shambles, it cant all be Boris's fault..
the guy has nothing to lose so come on Boris stem the flow on the south coast, every foot that lands is costing the nation £1000 a week... they demand their rights...lol... well we are demanding our, GET THEM OUT
Quote from: Michael Rolls on June 07, 2022, 04:48:06 AMwhat are they thinking about? Do they want to lose the next election?
Mike
I don't think it makes much difference now. The next election is Starmer's to lose anyway.
If they start doing stuff that they were elected to do they might save it but I'm pretty sure that more policy is Carrie Symonds policy that it is Conservative policy. We will probably be getting a Labour/LibDeb/Green coalition in reality rather than a government that acts like it is one.
Brexit - done but not well
Immigration - both illegal and legal on a steep upward trajectory
NHS - broken - GPs invisible, waiting lists enormous etc.
Taxes - increased hugely
That's without the partygate business.
sadly, so accurate
He had 41% of his MP's against him. If they don't replace him, quite simply they'll lose next time election anyway. Just as Thatcher, Major and May did in the past and all starting from better positions than this hapless galoot.
He's such an indeterminate blatherer that he won't perform the radical surgery he needs to now. Ex-communicate people like Gove, Truss and all the other remainers with their Green Wokery and concentrate on true Conservative values. Out of the ECHR, 1951 Refugee Convention, issue notice Article 16, to quit the onerous Brexit treaty. Give Sturgeon her referendum permission and Wales, Northern Ireland too. Let them either put up and go, or shut up (n.b devolved politico's - not the people).
He might as well, if he stays as is, the Wets in his party and cabinet will only push the country to a no overall control position next time, ushering in the 'Coalition from Hell'.
that's what worries me.
Mike
Mike if he lets the Scot and Welsh etc go, they can't gang up on him in a Westminster Coalition, they'll be enjoying the benefits of the EU, complete with it's currency! That cuts it down to Labour (a busted flush) and those who wear their Y fronts back to front :wink:!
We should be happy..
Boris must now court the voter..
If he plays his cards right he could become popular once again..
The man seems to have the ability to stay afloat when a ship sinks..
Quote from: Cassandra on June 08, 2022, 05:29:08 PMMike if he lets the Scot and Welsh etc go, they can't gang up on him in a Westminster Coalition, they'll be enjoying the benefits of the EU, complete with it's currency! That cuts it down to Labour (a busted flush) and those who wear their Y fronts back to front :wink:!
But I would be stuck in a foreign country!
Mike
You already are Mike, we may be part of the UK, but Scotland is not England, and she has her own Culture and way of life. :embarrassed:
Boris is far from safe. He told the house of commons there were no parties and all rules were followed. Multiple fines were issued and I haven't heard of any appeals being made. There is a Select Committee sitting to decide if he mislead the house. It is possible that they will conclude that he didn't but if they decide that he did then it is the custom that ministers resign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misleading_of_parliament
I suspect that there is sufficient plotting against him to ensure that he wont be able to achieve much.
Quote from: Raven on June 08, 2022, 07:52:03 PMYou already are Mike, we may be part of the UK, but Scotland is not England, and she has her own Culture and way of life. :embarrassed:
Of course - but we are all part of the UK. Scotland isn't England, just as it isn't Wales nor Northern Ireland. We are a union
Mike
Would love to be a fly on the wall..
I bet there is much plotting and stabbing in the back going on in dark corners..
There will be a bunch scared that their cushy job will be lost if he goes.
There will be a bunch scared that their cushy job will be lost if he doesn't go.
There will be a bunch wondering if they will be able to keep their cabinet job under a different leader.
There will be a bunch wondering if they might get a better job under a different leader.
There will be a bunch wondering if they might get the top job when he goes.
There may even be a bunch wondering what best to do for the country and their party but I doubt it.
Quote from: Michael Rolls on June 08, 2022, 08:03:12 PMOf course - but we are all part of the UK. Scotland isn't England, just as it isn't Wales nor Northern Ireland. We are a union
Mike
In name only, these days we are anything but united. Both pulling hard in opposite directions.
Quote from: Michael Rolls on June 08, 2022, 05:54:30 PMBut I would be stuck in a foreign country!
Mike
Yes but with oil at $120 a barrel, all Krankies
dreams come true?
But that would spoil her green credentials
Mike
Never thought of that but as she's never wrong on anything ever, I expect there's a way through. One thing what a shame that we'd be deprived of the skills of Ian Blackford. I'd really miss his impish addresses, delivered with a satirical sarcasm which make Starmer look like a clotheshorse by comparison!
But Cass, Ian Blackford is from the Hebridan Islands like myself. We are excellent at satirical sarcasm, it's part of our make up. :clap:
That man is so irritating, it's no wonder the house empties when he gets to his feet in PMQs.
That's his job. Annoy enough English MPs and they might allow another once in a lifetime referendum.
Quote from: Alex on June 10, 2022, 11:44:05 AMThat man is so irritating, it's no wonder the house empties when he gets to his feet in PMQs.
:rofl: :rofl: :1020:
Quote from: Raven on June 09, 2022, 08:55:34 PMBut Cass, Ian Blackford is from the Hebridan Islands like myself. We are excellent at satirical sarcasm, it's part of our make up. :clap:
Well done Hebridans! From my background I appreciate wit, intellect and an ability to irritate one's opponents. Always with a twinkle in the eye, Mr Blackford ticks all the boxes and does his job very well.