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Title: News from the Government
Post by: Alex on March 20, 2022, 03:29:25 PM
"Your original order for Ukrainian Christian was unavailable so we've substituted it for Afghan Muslim, we trust this is acceptable?  "

According to the Sunday Times "All refugees set to have a Ukrainian style welcome "  More than 150,000 people have offered to take in a Ukrainian refugee since the government launched the scheme on Monday.

Government insiders said they expected this to outstrip the number of Ukrainians who want to come to the UK but do not want to waste the offers.  Ministers want to use the scheme to try to resettle other refugees who have been housed in hotels for months.

Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: Sheila on March 20, 2022, 03:32:03 PM
I just read that out to Paul and he said 'what about homeless army veterans?'
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: Alex on March 20, 2022, 03:34:40 PM
EXACTLY  ! plenty of ex servicemen who would love a bit of respite in a hotel, never mind someone's home  :angry:
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: Michael Rolls on March 20, 2022, 03:41:16 PM
disgraceful - and I still wonder at the practicality of the idea
Mike
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: zoony on March 20, 2022, 03:44:54 PM
It'll likely end in tears.. Which are, of course, better than tragedies. It's a bad idea.
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: crabbyob on March 20, 2022, 04:38:55 PM
it is a tragedy waiting to happen
wait till some old couple get allocated a 25 year old child
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: klondike on March 20, 2022, 04:49:08 PM
The Time story Alex referred to in case somebody thinks they are in the (bad) joke section.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/all-refugees-set-to-have-a-ukrainian-style-welcome-nq5qgl3m3#:~:text=Members%20of%20the%20public%20will,the%20Homes%20for%20Ukraine%20scheme.

It runs into a paywall after a couple of paras of course...
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: Scrumpy on March 20, 2022, 06:44:38 PM
No surprise there..
We are bloody fools to fall for it.. What happens when a  tragedy occurs!! And it will..
Well .. I am going to say it and If I upset anyone that is too bad..
' Not in my backyard '..
I'm far too old to be taking a 23 year old to school..
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: klondike on March 20, 2022, 08:21:09 PM
From what I can make out most of these refugees are young women with children. Could be a perverts charter.
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: Jacqueline on March 20, 2022, 09:27:12 PM
The  Ukranians are prepared to fight for their country and send their women and children to safety.  Most of the other "so called refugees" have run leaving their women and children behind, wouldn't give them anything and I hope nobody agrees to taking them in. 


We spent 20 years training an Afghan army and they put down their wepons and ran when faced with the enemy, they are a disgrace, don't want any of them here.
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: Alex on March 20, 2022, 10:17:54 PM
I little bit of light hearted reading to cheer you up   :cool:

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2022/02/24/government-admits-illegal-immigration-nearly-tripled-in-four-years
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: Scrumpy on March 21, 2022, 10:01:12 AM



Don't you just get that 'Sinking feeling' ... literally..
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: GrannyMac on March 22, 2022, 05:47:49 AM
Quote from: Alex on March 20, 2022, 03:34:40 PM
EXACTLY  ! plenty of ex servicemen who would love a bit of respite in a hotel, never mind someone's home  :angry:

Serving personnel and vets are entitled to priority status for housing. Perhaps they need to be directed to the CAB?  https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/housing/housing-options-for-people-leaving-the-armed-forces-veterans-and-their-families/

Many places also have organisations like this https://www.whitechapelcentre.co.uk/

There are reasons why we see some 'born and bred' on the streets.  The term 'revolving door' could sometimes be used regarding regular street homeless applicants.  Our LA spent a fortune on support workers, we had available flats, with help to settle in, get benefits sorted etc.  It worked for some, but even after months of help, tenancies regularly broke down.  There are all sorts of complex reasons why someone might be on the street. Plus not all those we see begging or selling the Big Issue are actually homeless.

Local authorities use B&Bs and hostels.  But often there are rules about drugs and alcohol, which don't always suit.

If I'd volunteered to open up my home, which I haven't, I'd want a say in who was moving in!  I hope these volunteers are careful, or as has been said, it could all end in tears.   
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: Scrumpy on March 22, 2022, 08:10:20 AM



At the first sign of tragedy we rush to help and why wouldn't we.. ! It is devastating the horrors that are taking place in the Ukraine.. People fleeing.. bodies in the street.. children orphaned..
We have sent warm clothing .. bedding and medical aid.. Many have hired transport in order to get much needed items to those who are desperate.. Many paying from their own pockets..
We are asked to open up our homes to these desperate people.. and many are offering this because we are human beings and they have nowhere to run.. They have lost all..
But, hang on a minute.. When we offer to help the Ukrainians why then should the Afghan Muslim get in on the act.. !!!
Illegal refugees hit our shores .. get picked up.. housed .. etc; etc; at a cost to the taxpayer.. This has got to stop.. It is getting out of control.. and will get worse with the better weather ....
Many here are finding it a struggle to heat.. eat.. travel..
This country should look to the people already living here not those who invade our shores..
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: klondike on March 22, 2022, 08:50:20 AM
Quote from: GrannyMac on March 22, 2022, 05:47:49 AMI hope these volunteers are careful, or as has been said, it could all end in tears.
There was a story a while back about somebody housing an asylum seeker and ended up getting murdered by them. I can't find the story now as it is buried amongst lots of other stories of murder by and of asylum seekers. I expect the policing, court and prison costs of those that ship up here uninvited are on a par with the hotel bills. No wonder HMG don't seem able to afford to support genuine refugees even though they make up a tiny minority of the influx.
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: Raven on March 22, 2022, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: Scrumpy on March 22, 2022, 08:10:20 AM
But, hang on a minute.. When we offer to help the Ukrainians why then should the Afghan Muslim get in on the act.. !!!
Illegal refugees hit our shores .. get picked up.. housed .. etc; etc; at a cost to the taxpayer.. This has got to stop.. It is getting out of control.. and will get worse with the better weather ....
Many here are finding it a struggle to heat.. eat.. travel..
This country should look to the people already living here not those who invade our shores..

I totally agree, and rightly or wrongly I would never trust one in my home. :angry: I think the Government have a real cheek even thinking about asking that. They should all be on the first boat/plane out of here.  :waiting:
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: crabbyob on March 22, 2022, 10:34:42 AM
i think most of us concur with that Raven
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: Michael Rolls on March 22, 2022, 05:33:10 PM
Absolutely
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: GrannyMac on March 23, 2022, 11:59:45 AM
Quote from: GrannyMac on March 22, 2022, 05:47:49 AM
Serving personnel and vets are entitled to priority status for housing. Perhaps they need to be directed to the CAB?  https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/housing/housing-options-for-people-leaving-the-armed-forces-veterans-and-their-families/

Many places also have local organisations like this https://www.whitechapelcentre.co.uk/

There are reasons why we see some 'born and bred' on the streets.  The term 'revolving door' could sometimes be used regarding regular street homeless applicants.  Our LA spent a fortune on support workers, we had available flats, with help to settle in, get benefits sorted etc.  It worked for some, but even after months of help, tenancies regularly broke down.  There are all sorts of complex reasons why someone might be on the street. Plus not all those we see begging or selling the Big Issue are actually homeless.

Local authorities use B&Bs and hostels.  But often there are rules about drugs and alcohol, which don't always suit.

Just in case anyone who wants to help vets didn't see the info previously.
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: Alex on March 23, 2022, 12:40:02 PM
Yes, there are organisations like Whitechapel centre, run by donations, SSAFA is also run by volunteers and donations, my point is there is immediate Government help for dinghy people, no hesitation, buses waiting at Dover to transport them to nice warm hotels etc etc....it seems unfair that our ex servicemen and other homeless people should have to rely on charity.   In Birkenhead and Chester, homeless people took over empty council office buildings, just to stay warm.  You obviously have more knowledge about this subject than I do, I'm just saying what I see and of course every case is different.
Title: Re: News from the Government
Post by: GrannyMac on March 23, 2022, 01:45:53 PM
I agree, we haven't got the asylum system under control, or the removal of illegal immigrants. Its a shambles.

I just wanted to point out that even without the charities, who do a great job, local authorities do have some statutory duties towards ex servicemen.