Looking at the list of I do not fancy any of the males to give the Tories a fresh start. Several of the females could do a good job with Liz Truss and Suella Braveman standing out among them.
Truss is a Remainer, so an automatic reject for many millions. She's become a noisy protester for Zelenskyy etc to deflect from the fact that she's an intellectual flyweight.
Braverman is perhaps the best candidate for many like me who don't trust anything remotely associated with Theresa May's duplicitous ex ministers and apparatchicks as promoted.
Sunak, (he of the Green Card) who ticks all these boxes, is plaintively 'anti-retiree' and already views those dependent on the State Pension and/or a menu of 'benefits', as a non-contributory cost base, over privileged and dispensable. How can anyone with a nett worth of over £200 million (give or take 30 odd million); realise any empathy for a pensioner of say 80 with nothing but fear for their last years? (despite his facile promotional video). His Tax-Avoiding wife's, £530 million on top doesn't improve the position either!
Ask yourself could you see him acting decisively against The ECHR to stop an expected 100,000 dinghy people / 4 Star hotel roomers from thronging up the beaches this and every year hereafter? It's not a natural fit is it, his sympathies clearly originate elsewhere ...
Suella has a good surname, but say if Truss/Sunak/Tugenhadt/Hunt/Javid et al got in she would have to be renamed 'Braverperson' ...
Kemi Badenock could be the dark horse of the race to be PM. She has some good backer who think highly of her. Could be the very first black female PM.
Well Tugyerhat, to any Tory member with a brain cell, should be a non-starter as the kiss of death is an endoersement from the socialist remainer rag known as the Independent.
The Independent is supporting the Tory candidate who they see as the most likely to get the Labour Party back into government.
I did the same when I voted in the Labour Party leadership contests so I voted for the candidate that would get the Tories back into Government & who would then keep them in government.
That's why I voted for 'Red' Ed Miliband & for Commrade Corbyn.
I don't want the first black PM.
Quote from: Jacqueline on July 11, 2022, 04:38:35 PMI don't want the first black PM.
Neither do I, nor the first Indian PM, nor the first Asian PM.
I want to live out the rest of my limited number of days with an ethnic Brit PM.
After I've gone the UK can have a Taliban PM for all I care as I won't see it.
Quote from: Diasi on July 11, 2022, 04:47:16 PMNeither do I, nor the first Indian PM, nor the first Asian PM.
I want to live out the rest of my limited number of days with an ethnic Brit PM.
After I've gone the UK can have a Taliban PM for all I care as I won't see it.
A hell of a lot of people in this country deserve a Taliban PM they are sleepwalking into it, most of the voices I hear that are not happy are from the oldies like us.
You could be right but in practical terms what do you propose should be done to prevent it?
Are you advocating protests?
How strong a protest?
Civil unrest?
Rioting?
Bombs?
Are you volunteering to engage in all that?
I'd have a green PM with purple spots if they ran the country effectively! Suella Braverman wants to see every unemployed, healthy person in work and not dependent on benefits. Its a start, and something no government has addressed for a long time.
I care not what colour the skin.. or religious beliefs they follow .. As long as they are a NOT a Remainer ..
Blimey our Churches have much to answer for over the centuries....
Cruelty to children.. and numerous wars..
And let us not pretend they are (changed) completely..
Quote from: hugh on July 11, 2022, 03:53:33 PMKemi Badenock could be the dark horse of the race to be PM. She has some good backer who think highly of her. Could be the very first black female PM.
Yes Hugh I rate her too, Both she and Suella Braverman, another Black lady are really worthy of serious support. We have to be careful that
nutters like Hunt could slide in via the cracks of split votes though? If the
remoaners really thought he had a chance they'd be all up for him now, but they realise he's a busted flush I think, but might rally in the event of a mistake seeing him through to round two. Don't forget he wanted us physically 'sealed' up in our houses with the Police checking such attachments to all ground floor entrances/exits daily. Hope in itself for all of them where control, for the sake of control is all that matters.
Quote from: GrannyMac on July 11, 2022, 07:36:05 PMI'd have a green PM with purple spots if they ran the country effectively! Suella Braverman wants to see every unemployed, healthy person in work and not dependent on benefits. Its a start, and something no government has addressed for a long time.
Well that just shows her total ignorance of the benefits v job arena.
Anyway, back to my choice, I don't think it's unreasonable to want an ethnic Brit PM as it's, to date, about the only thing that the incommer immigrants haven't removed from us.
Quote from: Jacqueline on July 11, 2022, 04:38:35 PMI don't want the first black PM.
We've already had the so called WHITE SKINNED PURE BRIT PMs..
and where has it got us..?
I really believed in Boris and had great hopes for him to get it right.. Lying Prat.
Tony Blair..??? Greedy, greedy .. warmonger..
These being just two examples ... So many more..
Quote from: Scrumpy on July 12, 2022, 08:50:57 AMI really believed in Boris and had great hopes for him to get it right.. Lying Prat.
I know, the lying prat said we'd leave the EU & bugger me we did leave the EU.
Quote from: Diasi on July 12, 2022, 10:31:45 AMI know, the lying prat said we'd leave the EU & bugger me we did leave the EU.
Yep! you are right .. The only thing he didn't lie about !!.. And then it went all down hill..
We still haven't left cleanly though. The master of veracity said there would be no border in the Irish sea. Maybe there isn't but we still have customs forms to complete to shift goods between one part of the UK and another. NI still in the single market and still following EU rules.
French access to our fishing waters continues largely outside of our full control.
Control of our borders. Yeah right. More immigration than ever.
A full on green agenda with costs and taxes to match.
Highest level of taxation for decades.
Great job Boris.
Penny Mordaunt is my favourite (or should I say best of a bad bunch?) but her promotion video is cringeworthy.
Quote from: klondike on July 12, 2022, 11:10:10 AMWe still haven't left cleanly though. The master of veracity said there would be no border in the Irish sea. Maybe there isn't but we still have customs forms to complete to shift goods between one part of the UK and another. NI still in the single market and still following EU rules.
French access to our fishing waters continues largely outside of our full control.
Control of our borders. Yeah right. More immigration than ever.
A full on green agenda with costs and taxes to match.
Highest level of taxation for decades.
Great job Boris.
It's a shame that Boris was removed before he managed to get the NI issue sorted, which he was in the process of doing.
Had Boris not got the UK out of the EU, the numner of immgrants would be well over double what they are now if you look at the number who've gone back to the EU & who no longer come from the EU.
Anyway, soon there'll be another PM to blame for not being able to wave a magic wand & fix everything overnight.
What I was saying is that it shouldn't make any difference of skin colour when you are top dog..
Boris was his own worse enemy.. His continual lying brought him to his knees .. and that had nothing to do with the people..
Quote from: Diasi on July 12, 2022, 02:15:05 PMAnyway, soon there'll be another PM to blame for not being able to wave a magic wand & fix everything overnight.
Or indeed anything over two and a half years...
Quote from: klondike on July 12, 2022, 03:40:59 PMOr indeed anything over two and a half years...
Thats a bit unfair he was very good at spending £800 a roll on wallpaper that looked like it came from the local Indian curry house?
You are at least kinder in your appraisal of the wallpaper than I was earlier :grin:
This has been a less Conservative government than Blair's and the Net Zero policies look likely to cripple the country IMO.
Not long til 2030 when no new internal combustion engine cars are allowed to be sold. Still we've all seen the flurry of activity commissioning new power stations, installing public charge points along all the streets of terraced housing and upgrading the electricity grid to cope with all the extra demand haven't we? What you haven't? I thought it must just be me.
Liz Truss would have been my main choice had she not voted Remain in 2016 & although she repented as early as 2017, it's still enough for me to not risk giving her the benefit of my doubt unless I have little alternative choice.
After the 6pm announcement of the candidates I had a phone conversation with another member of the local Tory Party committe & we both agreed that there wasn't a single candidate who we would have chosen & we'd have to vote for the better of two Brexiteer candidates if there were two, the Brexiteer candidate if there was only one & the least worst Remainer candidate if they were both Remainers.
Already we have had some members resign from the Party after they saw the list of candidates & I don't think it takes a genius to work out why when 50% are non-ethnics.
We are a very traditional rural area with Conservative politics & a conservative way of life.
It will be interesting to hear what your opinions are when it comes down to the last two..
As I have said before I am no expert when it comes to politics.. There are so many things that I don't understand... and I never pretend to..
I just get the feeling this is all done and dusted and it will be Sunak as PM. :evil:
in today's paper he is promising to be as financially responsible as Thatcher - er, wasn't he Chancellor?
Mike :shocked: :shocked:
All promise the earth, then forget all about it when they win.
I don't believe a word any of them say. :waiting:
I reckon you might believe them :grin:
It's a point of honour. They lie, I disbelieve. :busted:
Lies
Damn Lies
Statistics
Manifestos
Penny Mordaunt looks good to me too. She is a Leaver..
I didn't realise that Rishi Sunak is also a Leaver..
That makes me happier..
As I heard it defined here a few weeks ago on TV
About the local Democrat Manifesto "A public declaration of ...some shit."
Have I heard it wrong.. ?
Quote from: Scrumpy on July 13, 2022, 06:42:42 PMPenny Mordaunt looks good to me too. She is a Leaver..
I didn't realise that Rishi Sunak is also a Leaver..
That makes me happier..
Beware of double-standards Scrump! He may have
voted Leave in the 2016 referendum, but he then consistently voted against that decision in the Parliament of Theresa May for the next three years, which thank God ended in November 2019. Remember back to all those disgusting attempts (48 in all) started up by Dominic Grieve and such as Gauke, Hammond, Soubry, Gina Miller etc etc, to deliberately overturn democracy! He was there with all of them, because he thought it might lubricate his self propelled ego machine in the future.
He is not a Conviction politician over anything, he's a manipulative, two faced opportunist. If there was a vote now amongst Tory Members, Penny would win 79% to 34% against Susnake. His apparatchick's will firstly try and smear Mordaunt to avoid a final run off at all costs with her as the opponent. He'd love Hunt or Truss at the last stand as an alternative. He knows the constituencies will overwhelmingly favour Penny, she will be his nemesis and he'll have go back to his mountainous heap of money, tax exiled wife and pedal his green USA card from the upper green benches of Parliament.
Ask yourself, if he's such a dedicated Brexiteer, why does he have so many devoted 'Remoaner' Tories in his camp just now? Most modern politicians are ultimately cannibals. So inevitably holding self preservation above all else may cause many of them to reconsider closely over the next few weeks. By emnifying their local party chairmen and members by supporting such a deviant in opposition, to a very electable alternate in a General Election - many may 'just' switch camps to preserve their overpaid jobs!
I don't like Rishi Sunak.. :boo: :boo: :nooo: :yell:
Penny Mordaunt it is..
I don't like any of them. :yell:
And nor do I.
Briefly ladies all three females voted for Brexit and are committed (they say) to it being finished off even if we have to leave both the ECHR and 1950 Refugee Convention to do so - which would scupper the 'Dinghy Boys' good style. However something tells me Mordaunt might renege on this commitment? Technically we can ignore the rulings of the ECHR anyway right now. Referring those doubting our purity on Human Rights in future to Dominic Raab's new Bill is a hanky for Starmer, Sturgeon and Liberal clingers on to snuffle into.
Suella Bravermann is also very anti the Green Nett zero rubbish of Boris Johnson that we didn't vote for. Similarly with all things WOKE like Enid Blyton being banned in Libraries, because she featured 'Gollywogs' in Children's books 72 years ago! Bravermann has been very outspoken about this
Kemi Brachenose hasn't criticised Nett zero but is fiercely anti - woke in Govt, schools etc.
Labour would find either of the last two difficult to deal with as, firstly their Women and Labour don't know what they are and secondly they're black and you can't therefore criticise them in any way at all forever till the end of the world etc.
The alternative is getting Truss and or Susnake, which would encite rage from within the Conservative Party Members who overwhelmingly detest both leaving them both free to sell us down the River with their 'real' mates in the EU.
Personally I'd have Lord David Frost ahead of them all. But he was deliberately removed by Carrie telling her idiot husband to sod him off to the House of Lords where he couldn't harm her plans, she thought. He's for the next time (2024) I think?
No matter how well Sunak does with the MPs, I can't see him being voted in by the membership no matter who his opponent is.
They may nor get a chance though. May was left as the only candidate removing the need for them to vote. It could be orchestrated again.
I've lost touch of late. Here is Farage's view
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1547279694793510913
It very much looks like Penny will be PM as I give zero chance for Sunak. The sooner Sunak supporters wake up to this fact the better. Cross who wrote that letter against her did no good. Kemi would be a good choice to go against her. Liz not sure she was very close to Boris.
I give up if that Penny woman becomes PM, maybe Liz Truss but she doesn't inspire me, even Keir Starmer looks attractive by comparison. The Russians, Chinese etc. will be laughing at us.
Hallo Labour, the Tories have just given you the next General Election :yell: :yell: :yell: .
If you are right or wrong Jacqueline does not concern me. Who ever gets the keys to number 10 got to deal with the cost of living which will be a very difficult task.
I have doubts about all of them. We're going to get a WEF stooge, probably foreign, probably will fight against the public for the remaining term, who knows. Whoever they want in, the real opposition won't get a look in.
I watched the Channel 4 programme but I kept dropping off so missed big bits of it. Did any of the candidates mention how they'd tackle illegal immigration across the channel ?
I worked out I am now on my fourteenth prime minister, not including Harold Wilson's second administration or Michael Foot, the first being Winston Churchill.
He's probably turning in his grave.
leaving aside the second ministries of Churchill and Wilson, I have lived during the time of 15, starting with Chamberlain.
Mike