These continue to rocket. In January 2018 my monthly electricity bill for the house and outhouses was £219. This month it is £441 - doubled in just four years, thanks in large part to the government's crazy net zero policies. My usage, if anything, is less than it was back then, as then there were still two of us. Veronica died that month, so the house has only had a single occupant since then. I'm lucky - I can afford such an increase, scandalous though it is - but a lot of people are going to find energy prices hard to meet in the coming months and years.
Mike
It's then that a lot of questions about those bills will be asked and guess who has some answers to explain them - that perpetual thorn in Boris's side N. Farage Esq.
I see the PM, when tackled on the question of VAT relief on energy bills said that would be reducing costs to many people who didn't need the help. Said sod all about those who do.
Mike
Perhap he should remove VAT entirely from everything and go for a tax on incomes instead if that's how he feels about it.
No?
Didn't think so Boris.
I think Rishi has been warning him that the money tree is starting to look a little worse for wear from all the harvesting of late.
the harvesting is very damaging...
but the lack of planting is going to cost him a lot more tomorrow... or does he know summit we dont?
Quote from: Michael Rolls on January 11, 2022, 08:24:54 AM
I see the PM, when tackled on the question of VAT relief on energy bills said that would be reducing costs to many people who didn't need the help. Said sod all about those who do.
Mike
I understand that the plan to help might revolve around those on supplementary benefits and warm-home discount claimants because of health issues..
The prices could be doubling apparently. That is going to be a problem for more than those on benefits. I siuspect some will come over all poorly and go on benfits rather than try to pay. Those living hand to mouth, which I imagine many are, will be hard put to find an extra £100 a month for their fuel bill.
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Quote from: Michael Rolls on January 11, 2022, 08:24:54 AM
I see the PM, when tackled on the question of VAT relief on energy bills said that would be reducing costs to many people who didn't need the help. Said sod all about those who do.
Mike
And we all know that the only one's who'll get any help are those on means-tested benefits, so everyone else's private pension will continue to be eroded more & more.
Quote from: Diasi on January 11, 2022, 04:20:24 PM
And we all know that the only one's who'll get any help are those on means-tested benefits, so everyone else's private pension will continue to be eroded more & more.
How does Johnson expect Pensioners, razored by his duplicity on the Triple Lock to pay doubled suppliers prices with his ideological Green Tax at 25% on top; plus VAT he shouldn't be charging post Brexit?
Next year just in time for Statistics to be calculated the price will amazingly dip. Thereby he,
(or his replacement in dubiety) will state a reduction in the cost of living in 2022.
What they never accept is that if your energy bill increased from say £100 to £200 a month 21/22; the fact it's gone down to £199 still means your shrinking income is £99 less a month year on year!
Money you'll never recover, with no compensation and likely to remain high. Its in the oligopoly suppliers interests to see it does. Together with the 'Plandemic' successfully culling 'providers' and therefore eliminating competition, the big 6 will artificially inflate prices, regulated by a tame 'lap dog' invigilator.
Over here I paid the equivalent of 47p a litre for gasoline Sunday and our domestic heating bills etc are about 40% of the UK's,
before Aprils pending shock - horror increases.
Quote from: Cassandra on January 11, 2022, 05:12:03 PM
How does Johnson expect Pensioners, razored by his duplicity on the Triple Lock to pay doubled suppliers prices with his ideological Green Tax at 25% on top; plus VAT he shouldn't be charging post Brexit?
Next year just in time for Statistics to be calculated the price will amazingly dip. Thereby he, (or his replacement in dubiety) will state a reduction in the cost of living in 2022.
What they never accept is that if your energy bill increased from say £100 to £200 a month 21/22; the fact it's gone down to £199 still means your shrinking income is £99 less a month year on year!
Money you'll never recover, with no compensation and likely to remain high. Its in the oligopoly suppliers interests to see it does. Together with the 'Plandemic' successfully culling 'providers' and therefore eliminating competition, the big 6 will artificially inflate prices, regulated by a tame 'lap dog' invigilator.
Over here I paid the equivalent of 47p a litre for gasoline Sunday and our domestic heating bills etc are about 40% of the UK's, before Aprils pending shock - horror increases.
"
Next year just in time for Statistics to be calculated the price will amazingly dip. Thereby he, (or his replacement in dubiety) will state a reduction in the cost of living in 2022. "
I was thinking the very same thing, come September 2022, when the State Pension increase is calculated, the Consumer Price Index will have dipped, miraculously, to 2%.
As well as culling providers it seems that plenty of us less than well-off older people are being culled as well..The 'bycatch' one assumes. :sad:
The French government is forcing EDF, the state energy company to take a £7bn financial hit to protect households from rocketing energy costs.
In Spain the government introduced a windfall tax on electricity generators and gas producers to help keep home energy bills low.
In Germany, the government has slashed a surcharge on bills used to support renewable energy schemes, they'll instead receive extra state subsidies.
In Uk Rishi Sunak.............................. :waiting: :waiting: :waiting:
exactly!
Mike
This is something that bothers me a lot. These things we have to have to live, should not be expensive, and making people choose if they should heat or eat is disgusting.
All utilities need re-nationalised, as should car insurance.... but thats not the Tory way.. :nooo:
Quote from: crabbyob on January 15, 2022, 10:16:27 AM
All utilities need re-nationalised, as should car insurance.... but thats not the Tory way.. :nooo:
Fooking Tories How I hate them. :yell: :angry: :nooo: :downvote:
Quote from: Alex on January 14, 2022, 09:03:23 PM
The French government is forcing EDF, the state energy company to take a £7bn financial hit to protect households from rocketing energy costs.
In Spain the government introduced a windfall tax on electricity generators and gas producers to help keep home energy bills low.
In Germany, the government has slashed a surcharge on bills used to support renewable energy schemes, they'll instead receive extra state subsidies.
In Uk Rishi Sunak.............................. :waiting: :waiting: :waiting:
Sunak is an Indian for all intents & purposes & the Indian caste system is to despise the lower classes & certainly not help them.
Quote from: Diasi on January 15, 2022, 02:29:25 PM
Sunak is an Indian for all intents & purposes & the Indian caste system is to despise the lower classes & certainly not help them.
If elected as PM will he Curry flavour with the voters? :grin:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
Quote from: Diasi on January 15, 2022, 02:29:25 PM
Sunak is an Indian for all intents & purposes & the Indian caste system is to despise the lower classes & certainly not help them.
Sunak is an Englishman. Fair enough, he's a Tory which is arguably as caste-conscious as Hinduism is, but I'm not sure it's fair to call him uncaring or unhelpful because of it..
As a multi-millionaire (or so I think I read) he may have a problem understanding the problems faced by those on more modest means.
Sunak is a very wealthy man who probably has little idea how the 'other half' live..
We could say that about many in parliament.. Most are wealthy..
I hope Boris stays..
I really don't see how he's so judged on here by people who don't know him at all, including me. How can he possibly not be aware of what life is like for the poor here? He may be wealthy but he's not stupid. He has eyes and ears like the rest of us.
Quote from: Scrumpy on January 15, 2022, 06:11:46 PM
I hope Boris stays..
The press smell blood and I suspect that there are plenty seething at the shenanigans. It's the lying and the hypocrasy that get's 'em. Had he just put up his hands and apologised at the outset this would be yesterday's chip wrappings.
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Polling guru Curtice warns Boris in 'deep trouble' as Labour set to win next election
POLLING GURU Sir John Curtice has warned Boris Johnson and the Conservative Party are in "deep trouble" following partygate.
Quote from: zoony on January 15, 2022, 05:24:55 PM
Sunak is an Englishman. Fair enough, he's a Tory which is arguably as caste-conscious as Hinduism is, but I'm not sure it's fair to call him uncaring or unhelpful because of it..
He may be British but he is not English, how can he be when he is from Indian heritage. Joanna Lumley was born in India but she isn't Indian.
Quote from: Diasi on January 15, 2022, 02:29:25 PM
Sunak is an Indian for all intents & purposes & the Indian caste system is to despise the lower classes & certainly not help them.
Quote from: zoony on January 15, 2022, 05:24:55 PM
Sunak is an Englishman. Fair enough, he's a Tory which is arguably as caste-conscious as Hinduism is, but I'm not sure it's fair to call him uncaring or unhelpful because of it..
I didn't say he was unhelpful or caring, I said that the ethnic culture, from which he originates, had a caste system which despises the lower ranks, calling them 'untouchables' I think is the term they use.
Quote from: Diasi on January 16, 2022, 02:21:54 PM
I didn't say he was unhelpful or caring, I said that the ethnic culture, from which he originates, had a caste system which despises the lower ranks, calling them 'untouchables' I think is the term they use.
so what might our Eton educated tories call our 'working class'... the great unwashed?
Or canon-fodder..
Quote from: Jacqueline on January 15, 2022, 07:50:19 PM
He may be British but he is not English, how can he be when he is from Indian heritage. Joanna Lumley was born in India but she isn't Indian.
so was Cliff Richards...and Engelbert humper think.... ...
Asian British like Italian American !
and Scots Europeans...like Europe :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
Whatever is which, I'm worried about such a potentially huge jump in leccy and gas prices.. I, like many, live on a fairly tight budget and a thousand quid extra doesn't just appear from nowhere.
yes pal, you and a million other households .... the utilities must all be re-nationalised, how can any country be safe with foreign countries controling them...
They can't. :downvote: :downvote:
Quote from: zoony on January 18, 2022, 04:09:00 PM
Whatever is which, I'm worried about such a potentially huge jump in leccy and gas prices.. I, like many, live on a fairly tight budget and a thousand quid extra doesn't just appear from nowhere.
Get a baseball bat. Go to the Post Office. Say give me all your dosh. You'll get free board and lodging then pleasuring her majesty. :grin:
its not pleasuring her Maj that worries me
its yon big African that thinks im a [1170]looker...
Quote from: crabbyob on January 18, 2022, 04:14:29 PM
yes pal, you and a million other households .... the utilities must all be re-nationalised, how can any country be safe with foreign countries controling them...
That was too costly the taxpayers could not afford to keep propping them up, that is why the Tories are going for our own power stations which will unfortunately mean nuclear
surely it cant be hard to come up with generators that could be sited in rivers that flow day and night or bigger ones in tidal estuaries that generate with the tides?... or is that too simple a soloution, well perhaps not a soloution but a without a doubt a great help...
I've always thought tidal barages should be the way forward. The wind might not blow but even Kings can't stop the tides.
There may be technical problems but there are always conservationists up in arms about these schemes taking habitat from migrant birds. If we are really destroying the planet by using fossil fuels and the bird habitat argument stops a good scheme is it really the conservationists destroying the planet? Surely better a little habitat loss than an entire planet being lost? If you believe that is the case of course.