It's difficult to understand how this woman could kill defenceless babies, but she did and has been found guilty. Investigations now on going for her time at Liverpool Womens Hospital, where she had two three month training placements.
how can anyone murder a baby?
Some of the pictures of her would make anybody think butter wouldn't melt. Probably how she got away with it so long. Later ones showed that the trial had had an effect.
As to how could she do it well there must be something wrong with the wiring in her head. One part of a story I saw suggested she may have been inducing problems with children to bring her into contact with a doctor she had her eye on.
The trial was on for weeks on end and the jury were considering their verdicts for ages too. She was actually acquitted on one of the charges. I can't see how the sentence when it comes can be anything other than a full life term.
Sentence os Monday.
It may well be Rampton. Could anyone sound of mind do what she has been found guilty of?
would not have thought so.
I think they go there if they are insane and a danger to the public. She was considered sane enough to stand trial and I can't see that she is a danger to the public now.
'Butter wouldn't melt'.. She is as cold as ice...
And looks so innocent.. I find her to be cool, calm and calculated.. she knows exactly what she is doing and what she has done.. She is cruel.. evil..
She is a killer.. I wouldn't leave her alone with my cat..
She kills those that are defenseless.. She would have a whale of a time in a nursing home for the elderly.. Scary.
Quote from: Michael Rolls on August 18, 2023, 10:28:21 PMhow can anyone murder a baby?
Quite easily when they're screaming at 3am & I'm up for work at 6am. Lol :grin:
Quote from: klondike on August 19, 2023, 07:43:15 AMI think they go there if they are insane and a danger to the public. She was considered sane enough to stand trial and I can't see that she is a danger to the public now.
That's where Beverley Allitt is, hence my thinking Letby might follow.
I have just watched this report on the telly.
In addition to the now-proved guilt of this, probably mentally afflicted, nurse, it mentions that earlier in the investigations several hospital non-clinical administrators actively supported the nurse and even accused doctors of making unfounded personal attacks on the nurse.
It is good that this murderess is now going to receive the punishment due to her (or I hope it will), but are the administrators also going to receive punishment for supporting the murderess and consequently encouraging her to kill more?
I heard nothing more of any such thing on the documentary.
Quote from: GrannyMac on August 19, 2023, 09:51:25 AMThat's where Beverley Allitt is, hence my thinking Letby might follow.
Beverley Allitt should never have gone to Rampton, she's a master manipulator & she ran rings round the psychiatrists.
When the police searched her home they found that she had a shelf-load of books about the symptoms of various mental illnesses, including Munchausen syndrome by proxy which she conned the psychiatrists into believing she had.
August 19, 2023, 03:11:55 PMQuote from: JBR on August 19, 2023, 11:14:18 AMI have just watched this report on the telly.
In addition to the now-proved guilt of this, probably mentally afflicted, nurse, it mentions that earlier in the investigations several hospital non-clinical administrators actively supported the nurse and even accused doctors of making unfounded personal attacks on the nurse.
It is good that this murderess is now going to receive the punishment due to her (or I hope it will), but are the administrators also going to receive punishment for supporting the murderess and consequently encouraging her to kill more?
I heard nothing more of any such thing on the documentary.
There is the offence of Corporate Manslaughter whereby company officials can be prosecuted for deaths, for example, on a building site if they ignored reports of dangerous machinery.
By ignoring the doctors' concerns, the hospital CEO facilitated the deaths of some of the children.
On that clip of her being arrested, you can just see the back of my friend's caravan opposite. She was a neighbour and as someone has said, butter wouldn't melt in her mouth. Her Mum was very chatty and a lovely person, I can't imagine how she feels now.
Quote from: Alex on August 19, 2023, 03:17:08 PMOn that clip of her being arrested, you can just see the back of my friend's caravan opposite. She was a neighbour and as someone has said, butter wouldn't melt in her mouth. Her Mum was very chatty and a lovely person, I can't imagine how she feels now.
Apparently Letby confided to her Mum about some of the things she'd done.
Quote from: Diasi on August 19, 2023, 03:23:59 PMApparently Letby confided to her Mum about some of the things she'd done.
So her mother is also complicit.
Quote from: JBR on August 19, 2023, 03:55:49 PMSo her mother is also complicit.
I should have been more specific, the report didn't actually say when she confided in her Mum.
I was answering Alex's post where she said "
Her Mum was very chatty and a lovely person, I can't imagine how she feels now".
Quote from: Diasi on August 19, 2023, 03:07:07 PMThere is the offence of Corporate Manslaughter whereby company officials can be prosecuted for deaths, for example, on a building site if they ignored reports of dangerous machinery.
By ignoring the doctors' concerns, the hospital CEO facilitated the deaths of some of the children.
Well I've just seen it mentioned on the GB News running banner, by the main prosecutor, that the police should be asked to look at possible charges of Corporate Manslaughter,
Absolutely 💯 % corporate manslaughter ✅
Well it's not taken long for the ducking & diving to begin.
https://tinyurl.com/bp4s5vjr
I wonder how she ever got charged after that whitewash. I won't dig into it myself very deeply though as it is increasingly depressing finding out just how bad the NHS has become.
I've now read two conflicting accounts of what lead to her arrest. News reporting is pretty dreadful.
Quote from: klondike on August 20, 2023, 07:53:12 PMI wonder how she ever got charged he'd after that whitewash. I won't dig into it myself very deeply though as it is increasingly depressing finding out just how bad the NHS has become.
I've now read two conflicting accounts of what lead to her arrest. News reporting is pretty dreadful.
I wonder if the police said "Letsby 'avin you" when they arrested her?
Apart from the headlines, I have not really followed this appalling case. Today, however, I did sit down and read some detail. Above all, I was horrified to read that when senior medical staff reported their concerns to management, they were effectively told to go forth and multiply. Apparently, they were ordered to write letters of apology.
What on earth is going on? OK I have been retired from the NHS for 29 years, but that is something that I just cannot understand from my day. Back then, in my last few years, I worked for the Mid Surrey Health Authority, which disappeared in one the subsequent reorganisations so beloved of politicians.
We had a general hospital – a run of the mill DGH, a large Mental Illness hospital, a large Mental Handicap hospital, a few cottage hospitals, a couple of outsourced units, etc,. The team responsible for running the Authority comprised the District Administrator ( I was his number two) the District Finance Officer, the District Nursing Officer, the District Medial Officer, the District Engineer, the District Building Officer, a representative of local GPs, and a representative of the Medical Executive Committee ,the senior consultants of the various specialties. Apart from the DMO, who was directly responsible for a number of clinics, none of them, nor me, had directl involvement (other than at second hand, including myself) with patients, but if a senior medico approached us with such a concern, no way would it have been ignored – in our early days as a new authority, we discovered that lazy nurses in the MI unit were injecting patients through their clothing - soon sorted after disciplinary action.
I am horrified at what seems to have gone on. Oh, and in our maternity unit there were, sadly and inevitably, cases of still births (although Epsom had one of the lowest rates in the country after I pointed out to the DHSS that they had got their figures wrong!) but from memory I am pretty certain they did not have a single neonatal death of a baby who had survived delivery and the first week.
apologies for somehow posting all that twice! Interloper removed!
Quote from: Michael Rolls on August 21, 2023, 07:29:10 AMapologies for somehow posting all that twice! Interloper removed!
If you click the 'More' button it gives you the option of removing a post.
yes, I've done that, thanks, Phil
Since her arrest the Countess doesn't take any premature babies, they're taken to Alder Hey. Emergency C Sections only at Chester, no idea how long this will go on, it's a bit like shutting the gate after the horse has bolted.
Quote from: Alex on August 21, 2023, 10:03:08 AMSince her arrest the Countess doesn't take any premature babies, they're taken to Alder Hey. Emergency C Sections only at Chester, no idea how long this will go on, it's a bit like shutting the gate after the horse has bolted.
Typical top management decision as they'll think the public are stupid enough to realise that this solves nothing.
The next one could be working at Alder Hey.
A better solution would be to introduce close-up CCTV monitoring at the bed / incubator of each baby & make it a requirement for two persons to be present at all times on neonatal wards.
This could be paid for by sacking the Diversity Officer & his / her staff.
Quote from: Diasi on August 21, 2023, 10:36:57 AMTypical top management decision as they'll think the public are stupid enough to realise that this solves nothing.
The next one could be working at Alder Hey.
A better solution would be to introduce close-up CCTV monitoring at the bed / incubator of each baby & make it a requirement for two persons to be present at all times on neonatal wards.
This could be paid for by sacking the Diversity Officer & his / her staff.
I agree completely.
In fact, by sacking at least half of the senior non-clinical staff, the NHS as a whole could employ more clinicians to the ultimate benefit of us, the patients.
Quote from: JBR on August 21, 2023, 10:50:20 AMI agree completely.
In fact, by sacking at least half of the senior non-clinical staff, the NHS as a whole could employ more clinicians to the ultimate benefit of us, the patients.
Yes, it would probably pay for a few more brand new hospitals.
During the years when I had the misfortune to be a Civil Servant, I regarded one of my middle management roles to be that of mitigating the stupid decisions made by the top tier management.
Quote from: Diasi on August 21, 2023, 11:04:07 AMYes, it would probably pay for a few more brand new hospitals.
During the years when I had the misfortune to be a Civil Servant, I regarded one of my middle management roles to be that of mitigating the stupid decisions made by the top tier management.
You might imagine that promotion to senior management would be by ability.
Unfortunately, the evidence suggests that it isn't, but is by personal recommendation by 'mates' who look after each other!
that and the Peter Principle
Quote from: Michael Rolls on August 21, 2023, 12:37:14 PMthat and the Peter Principle
Exactly, if those with the ability to do things were promoted to the top there'd be no one left who could run the job.
On the sentencing, it seems that most of the guilty verdicts were by a Jury majority vote.
There's a man on another forum, who, if he's real, strikes me as the epitome of the Peter Principle. Retiring early on an excellent pension usually means a senior level job.
I think the days of paying public sector staff big bucks as diversity and equality managers must be coming to an end. Younger intakes won't need teaching, they've grown up with it.
I do hope some stupid easily conned psychiatrist doesn't say she's got one of these equally stupid made-up mental problems & gets her a cushty life in Rampton.
https://tinyurl.com/mre9sw4y
no matter what psychiatrists postulate, she is a wicked, evil woman. If I had my way she would be put down like the mad bitch she is.
'Putting down' is far too soft for her..
I would stick her in a cell with no daylight.. reading material.. calendar..
and no words spoken to her.. I wouldn't even tell her what her sentence was..
She would love to go to Rampton.. she would have 'Friends' there and they could discuss how they 'did' it..
Didn't WEST and HINDLEY form a very close friendship when put together !! .. I think they ruled the place..
One more thing.. I would pull a toenail out.. every so often.. Ouch !!
Quote from: Scrumpy on August 22, 2023, 08:41:02 AM'Putting down' is far too soft for her..
I would stick her in a cell with no daylight.. reading material.. calendar..
and no words spoken to her.. I wouldn't even tell her what her sentence was..
She would love to go to Rampton.. she would have 'Friends' there and they could discuss how they 'did' it..
Didn't WEST and HINDLEY form a very close friendship when put together !! .. I think they ruled the place..
One more thing.. I would pull a toenail out.. every so often.. Ouch !!
I agree with that, but I still prefer hanging.
It would also save us, the taxpayers, more money!
She'll have no freedom, no life, no future. Things that mean a lot to most of us. Thats as much as the law can do here.
There have been suggestions that she has Münchausen's syndrome by proxy. I'm fairly sure she'll be the subject of psychiatric testing. No one who is anywhere near normal could do what she did.
Quote from: GrannyMac on August 22, 2023, 05:47:30 PMShe'll have no freedom, no life, no future. Things that mean a lot to most of us. Thats as much as the law can do here.
There have been suggestions that she has Münchausen's syndrome by proxy. I'm fairly sure she'll be the subject of psychiatric testing. No obe who is anywhere near normal could go what she did.
Another non-existent excuse dreamed up by a psychiatrist.
It's the same with Schizophrenics who claim they hear voices, when caught committing a violent crime, as an excuse.
Has anyone heard a voice in another person's head telling them to do something?
Her university halls type women's prison sounds ok to me.
https://tinyurl.com/4w54n7sd
Quote from: Diasi on August 22, 2023, 08:52:57 PMHer university halls type women's prison sounds ok to me.
https://tinyurl.com/4w54n7sd
That looks to me more like a reward than a punishment.
In fact, as word gets around, I can foresee more nurses opting for the same treatment!
she's 33. She could easily live another 50 years. It costs, in today's money, around £47,000 a year to keep someone in prison. So she could cost the taxpayer around £2.3 million. A rope is much cheaper
It's the consultant who first blew the whistle that I feel sorry for as he's got a life sentence as well.
He said during his interview that he'll always have to live with what happened.
Also the parents have a life sentence of "if only I'd stayed on the ward instead of going for a coffee" etc etc.
The other nurses too. None of them knew what Letby was, she deceived all the nurses in that unit.
As an atheist what irritates me is the religious vigils and memorial services things like this often bring with them. If there was a caring all powerful god why would that god let stuff like this happen? Maybe it brings comfort to some but it wouldn't to me in such a situation. This will have tarnished so many lives.
I agree..
They usually say ,when asked where was God when you needed him.. 'There was a reason he let this happen'..
Bit like the royals ... Do not explain or complain..
It would seem that she could be permitted to pet animals..
I wouldn't trust her with my pet..
Quote from: klondike on August 23, 2023, 09:43:16 AMAs an atheist what irritates me is the religious vigils and memorial services things like this often bring with them. If there was a caring all powerful god why would that god let stuff like this happen? Maybe it brings comfort to some but it wouldn't to me in such a situation. This will have tarnished so many lives.
Of course there isn't. God is a scam that has been going on, and controlling people, for hundreds if not thousands of years.
The idea of controlling people's behaviour was a good one. Unfortunately, as more and more people are no longer in fear of God's retribution for evil behaviour, it is now not really a viable means of ensuring good behaviour.
It is now up to us to control and deter evil behaviour by means of severe punishments.
Hanging for proven murderers, for example.
Her parents are certainly odd & I'm convinced they, or at least her mother, knew what had gone on.
They attended every day of the trial but didn't attend any more after the first guilty verdict was reached.
Now they are rumoured to be selling up to buy a house near to Low Newton Prison in Durham.
I can't imagine having a child grow up to become a mass murderer. No deprivation, traditional two parent family, etc. What the hell happened to make her do such evil things?
She's an only child and even holidayed with her parents. How often do you hear about parents standing by their
'children' who have committed awful crimes ? I don't believe her mother knew about her crimes.
She had a cat Scrumpy !
Only a psychopath could do what she did and apparently one of their traits quite often is to be charming. Think of the number of serial killers who chat up their victims first.
I check the google seach console for LetsChat when they remind me to see what has been clicked and this time round I noticed this...
Somebody has searched for Lucy Letby forums and as we have a thread about her that has shown up
(https://i.postimg.cc/VsKdZQdT/lucy.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0yb0QPF)
I checked to see what shows and found
(https://i.postimg.cc/BvYJcDSV/lucy2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Doing the search without specifying Letschat.club and there are results but still with the note that some are removed.
What I want to know is who is paying for the work involved in getting Lucy Letby discussions removed from google search results. I do hope it isn't taxpayers.
She is ,or has been , moved to a cushy prison .. Because of her high profile..
Those at the Low Newton Prison hate her and she has protection from other prisoners...
unfortunately