Quote from: Cassandra on June 13, 2023, 09:49:45 PMThis is however the very end of her. History is full of 'clever people' who fail, From Crassus to Richard Nixon, himself a lawyer. Like Thatcher, Blair and May they all fall for believing their own spin. I'm happy like millions of others that this procrastinating, pompous woman has at last been levelled. She made a lot about cake, now she can eat it.

In 10 years time she'll be remembered as no more than "wasn't she the woman who was involved in a political party fund fraud".

The best she can hope for is as a Trivial Pursuit question.

Mrs Dale's Diary was more my Mum's thing

Quote from: klondike on June 14, 2023, 03:02:31 PMI bet its really woke today!

An everyday story of woke folk? No good asking me 

   

Quote from: Alex on June 14, 2023, 03:08:49 PMMrs Dale's Diary was more my Mum's thing

And mine. And Workers' Playtime.  I've never listened to an episode of the Archers but the theme tune remains in my head. Dum de dum de dum de dum, dum de dum de dum dum..🎼

Quote from: GrannyMac on June 14, 2023, 03:30:40 PMAnd mine. And Workers' Playtime.  I've never listened to an episode of the Archers but the theme tune remains in my head. Dum de dum de dum de dum, dum de dum de dum dum..🎼

So memorable. Haven't listened for many years - used to be sine qua non

Perhaps she'll decide it's better to be a has-been than a never was.

Quote from: JBR on January 31, 2023, 10:32:28 AMLess favourable?
I tell you, that if I were younger and free to move to Scotland, I think I would do so.
From what I hear, the health service up there leaves ours standing, universities (at least some of them) are some of the best available, less tax (of various kinds), etc, etc.
Scotland, to my English eyes anyway, appears to be 'the land of milk and honey'.
What, exactly, do the SNP supporters want to be done differently to how they are now?

Be free to join the EEC, not sell any oil, be £3,500 each a year worse off ex the Barnett Formula. just for a start. (list not exhausted)

It would be interesting to see if a 'Free NHS' (including prescriptions) would indeed be affordable, post separation independence and ignoring the dropped fossil fuel income?

Quote from: GHF on June 17, 2023, 06:38:00 PMPerhaps she'll decide it's better to be a has-been than a never was.

Well Jimmy Savile & Rolf Harris certainly weren't 'never was' but I wouldn't want to be remembered like them either.

the health service in Scotland, like the rest of the UK, has deteriorated, especially since Covid. Scotland's universities have slipped down the league table. When I was at school Scotland's education system was acknowledged as the best in the UK and one of the best in the world - no longer the case. To maintain power, the SNP are allowing the Greens - all 7 of them, to veto anything they don't like, which is just about everything sensible. Don't get me wrong - I love it here, but it is despite the Scottish government, not because of it

Quote from: Cassandra on June 18, 2023, 02:51:50 PMBe free to join the EEC, not sell any oil, be £3,500 each a year worse off ex the Barnett Formula. just for a start. (list not exhausted)

It would be interesting to see if a 'Free NHS' (including prescriptions) would indeed be affordable, post separation independence and ignoring the dropped fossil fuel income?

Yes, it seems that Scotland, or at least the SNP, is going pretty much the same way as we south of the border are.
I'd have expected the canny Scots to have resisted such movements.

Most Scots didn't want to leave the EU. Most are still fuming we got dragged out.

Quote from: Raven on June 18, 2023, 07:05:07 PMMost Scots didn't want to leave the EU. Most are still fuming we got dragged out.

Fair enough.
I'm afraid that those who wanted to remain in the EU were outvoted.
That's democracy.

If the majority of Scots still want to return to the EU, the best way to achieve that would be for the majority of them to vote to leave the UK.
I'm not sure what the rules about that are like, but presumably if a majority want it, it should pass.

I wouldn't recommend it, though.  When we were in the EU, they took us to the cleaners in two ways:
- we were issued with laws we were obliged to accept, and
- we had to pay them hand over fist with a great deal of 'membership fees'.

Quote from: Raven on June 12, 2023, 10:26:52 AMGloat all you want but that lady is very far from stupid, I don't believe for one moment she did anything at all.

I have to say I was a tad amazed myself ... I never had her down as sneaky. She always came across as very sincere and genuine (unlike other renowned sleaze bags south of the Border) .. a right little firebrand whether you liked her politics or not.

Quote from: morty on June 18, 2023, 10:50:52 PMI have to say I was a tad amazed myself ... I never had her down as sneaky. She always came across as very sincere and genuine (unlike other renowned sleaze bags south of the Border) .. a right little firebrand whether you liked her politics or not.

Exactly. 


June 19, 2023, 05:59:28 AM

Quote from: JBR on June 18, 2023, 10:47:02 PMFair enough.
I'm afraid that those who wanted to remain in the EU were outvoted.
That's democracy.

If the majority of Scots still want to return to the EU, the best way to achieve that would be for the majority of them to vote to leave the UK.
I'm not sure what the rules about that are like, but presumably if a majority want it, it should pass.

I wouldn't recommend it, though.  When we were in the EU, they took us to the cleaners in two ways:
- we were issued with laws we were obliged to accept, and
- we had to pay them hand over fist with a great deal of 'membership fees'.

I think it's a bit like you ones with the voting down south, you want change but are scared to vote for it. So we always end up with either tory or Labour in power.
By the By..........I voted to leave the EU.

me too