... but dismissed it as Farage has never really had a good word to say about him.
Farage Floats Alliance with Boris to Preserve 'Brexit Legacy' and Take On Fake Conservatives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-4ElfoiVfw
Brexit leader Nigel Farage has suggested an alliance between former Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his Reform Party to take on the corporatist-globalist Conservative Party and protect the legacy of Brexit from the leftist Labour Party.
Nigel Farage said that he does not believe that Boris Johnson has "any future" with the Conservative Party following his cantankerous and unceremonious resignation from Parliament this week amid the possibility of being censured for breaching the lockdown rules that his government imposed upon the public.
However, opening the door to yet another alliance, Mr Farage said that there is a road open to Boris to make a political comeback "if he wants to" and — perhaps more crucially — if Johnson is willing to backtrack on the neo-liberal globalist positions he embraced during his time in Number 10.
Farage said that given the Conservative Party's transformation into a "full-on social democrat party", there is currently a "very big opening in British politics" to the right of the Tories for a third party, such as the Reform Party — formerly the Brexit Party — which Farage founded. The seasoned political campaigner voiced his idea that the gap between establishment parties and people is now wider than it was a decade ago when he turned politics upside down as UKIP leader.
"I disagree with Boris Johnson fundamentally on many of his Metro liberal views but if anybody can turn on a sixpence and say they now believe in something completely different it's Boris Johnson," he said on GB News. "The important thing to remember is this on the biggest issue of our age... Brexit that Boris actually was on the same side as myself."
Mr Farage said in light of the likelihood of the left-wing Labour Party winning the next general election given the shambles the Tories find themselves, the politician turned tv presenter warned that his and Johnson's services might be required to preserve the "legacy of Brexit".
I have a lot of reservations about Boris with his virtually open borders views on migration.
Net Zero lunacy.
Brexit failings past the first step.
Can't see this as an alliance. Richard Tice wouldn't go for it for a start, he's red hot anti net zero unlike Boris who couldn't go against his wife :smiley: . Nigel is up for anything that will get him in the news and I say that as a fan :grin:
Boris needs to come out of his tail spin, take a few deep breaths and start thinking sensibly about how he's going to deal with things.
Speaking as an ex-Tory Party member I think Nigel's suggestion has a lot of merit.
Forget the news media that will try & gull you into thinking that the Tory Party is glad to see the back of Boris Johnson as it's mainly the Remainer Tory MPS & CCHQ.
Reform has already got tens of thousands of ex-Tory grass roots members who joined Reform when Sunak was foisted on us.
If Boris did throw his hat in with Reform they'd stand a good chance of getting some seats as droves of disgruntled ex-Tories, who might not have bothered voting for Tice, would vote for Johnson.
Quote from: Diasi on June 12, 2023, 10:31:22 AMIf Boris did throw his hat in with Reform they'd stand a good chance of getting some seats as droves of disgruntled ex-Tories, who might not have bothered voting for Tice, would vote for Johnson.
That was my view but Boris absolutely has to ditch his viewpoints on the stuff I mentioned in the initial post - net zero and immigration plus make his mind up on Brexit which it seems to me was more of a means to an end (Boris in No 10) than any real ideological abhorrence of the EU which any genuine Brexiteer would have.
I can't see it happening though - Boris would want to be Top Dog and other than popularity with some (many?) he really doesn't have a great deal to offer imo. That is probably enough but I'm not sure. His other main failing is his unfamiliarity with the truth and just saying what he thinks people want to hear. As some may have noticed with some of my antagonism to the PF Pensions advisor I have an allergy to liars.
I agree with what you say Klondike and that makes my own post even more to the point.
His wife won't let him, she'd rather he stands for Brighton & Hove as a Green!
Nigel Farage seems to have much to say.. but... what does he actually do.. !!
He's done what his life work was. We'd still be in the bloody EU if it weren't for him. That's why the establishment absolutely hates him.
Quote from: Scrumpy on June 13, 2023, 08:37:27 AMNigel Farage seems to have much to say.. but... what does he actually do.. !!
He will never hook up with BJ the size of their egos they'd
need a room each, even if they could get their heads through
a door. :smiley:
Quote from: GHF on June 17, 2023, 03:12:01 PMHe will never hook up with BJ the size of their egos they'd
need a room each, even if they could get their heads through
a door. :smiley:
I do believe that if Nigel were ever to be elected as an MP, he'd have plenty to say and much to contribute.
I also think that he'll be more believable and trustworthy than Boris.
If we're lucky, we shall see.
Quote from: JBR on June 17, 2023, 03:45:47 PMI do believe that if Nigel were ever to be elected as an MP, he'd have plenty to say and much to contribute.
I also think that he'll be more believable and trustworthy than Boris.
If we're lucky, we shall see.
I must admit I read Nigel's book and he seems an improvement
on BJ.
Quote from: GHF on June 17, 2023, 06:31:35 PMI must admit I read Nigel's book and he seems an improvement
on BJ.
I'm afraid I haven't read Nigel's book, but I have heard him speak on several occasions including, of course, when he was a member of the EU parliament.
What he says makes a great deal of sense, and the way he speaks he comes across as very persuasive.
I'd really like to see him stand for election, again, in this country. Hopefully, there will be no promised alliances with the Conservative party next time, now he (and we) know better than to trust them.
I may have mentioned before that one reason, I believe, that the Conservatives have been failing to run the country properly is that many of the 'Conservative' MPs now in the government are actually Liberals who have managed to stand for, and get elected, as part of the Conservative party. Of course, they have worked against the true right-wingers and helped to prevent any progressive moves by them.
If the Conservatives can determine exactly which the interlopers are, perhaps before the next GE they can publicise the matter and then, hopefully, stand the genuine ones at the next election. If Reform and Reclaim are concerned about a lack of support, perhaps another alliance with the true Conservatives might be proposed.
Of course, they - and we - would have to be sure that the failed promises played by the Conservatives last time which persuaded Reform to not stand should not take place.
All wishful thinking unfortunately. I do believe we're in for a Labour government.
Yep. If the non-conserative Conservative Party got destroyed we can rely on Labour trying to sod things up as badly as the current bunch. That might make the voters actually think before putting their little cross in the same box they always have and giving us a halfway decent government. Well I can dream can't I?
i reckon is just that - a dream :cry: :cry: :cry:
I have only twice in my life not voted Conservative but if
the shower that is in government are typical modern
Tories, no way will I vote for them again. That leaves us
with the Labour Party and the also-rans. The Labour
Party leader seems a decent bloke but he just hasn't got
'it.'
Oh, woe is us.
Yes. There must be a lot of politically dispossessed as both main parties look very much the same as the LibDems.
I've been a life long Conservative voter except when Heath made such a dog's breakfast of things rather that not voting at all which was my inclination I voted for the traditional party of protest knowing that doing so was not much different from spoiling my ballot or not voting at all.
This time around I'll vote Reform. A complete also ran but I'd love them to get enough support to drop a hint what the plebs would vote for.
Quote from: Cassandra on June 12, 2023, 06:05:00 PMHis wife won't let him, she'd rather he stands for Brighton & Hove as a Green!
Wives can become former wives. Just sayin'
Obviously still together. At least recently anyway as she's pregnant again with a third child. I reckon she wears the pants in that marriage. Probably as well. Boris is known to have problems keeping his zipped.
I believe that the 'Lib-Con' party has now had it. They will sink to the level of support of the Lib-Dems.
As many are suggesting, it is likely that the Marxists - er, sorry, the Labour party - will form the next government. Such is the way that most British voters think: blue or red, alternately, incessantly, at least for well over 100 years.
Of course, Labour only emerged as a governing party in the early years of the 20th century, and that was driven by the working classes being attracted to a new party which would stand up for them.
Well, over a hundred years later, we now have a new party - Reform UK, and also Reclaim which could form an alliance with Reform. Just like Labour over a century ago, these are new parties without any representation in the Commons but, just like Labour, they have appeared on the scene at a time when many people are afraid that they are no longer being represented by the 'two main parties'.
I shall certainly be voting for Reform (or Reclaim, whichever stands in my constituency) as, from what I read, will many others.
If nothing else, the next GE will be either a time of joy, or a great disappointment for many more years to come. It will, at least, give the press a lot to write about!
Quote from: Ashy on June 18, 2023, 10:05:23 AMWives can become former wives. Just sayin'
Yes good point and the way Bois appoints and disappoints them this latest 'arrangement' probably only has a few years left. It all goes to show, how weak his core values are and perhaps how his fetish for the opposite sex can easily re-write them?
When you think about it Macron formed the En Marche party and 12 months later he was President of France !
It can be done, but perhaps the French are more adventurous than we Brits ? :grin: :grin:
They are certainly different.
Is Reform anything other than hot air and - as yet - empty
promises? Have they any real substance?
I'm just curious, not fault-finding.
Quote from: JBR on June 18, 2023, 11:29:41 AMI shall certainly be voting for Reform (or Reclaim, whichever stands in my constituency) as, from what I read, will many others.
If nothing else, the next GE will be either a time of joy, or a great disappointment for many more years to come. It will, at least, give the press a lot to write about!
So will I, it's no use me moaning if I don't put my X where my mouth is.
Quote from: GHF on June 20, 2023, 12:28:53 PMIs Reform anything other than hot air and - as yet - empty
promises? Have they any real substance?
I'm just curious, not fault-finding.
You should really be asking that question about the big 3. They are all terminally useless. Do Reform have any chance of getting a seat? Well no because people still keep doing the same old thing hoping things will turn out differently the next time. That Einstein bloke had something to say about that sort of thing...
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Quote from: GHF on June 20, 2023, 12:28:53 PMIs Reform anything other than hot air and - as yet - empty
promises? Have they any real substance?
I'm just curious, not fault-finding.
All politicians promise the world and then, when they are elected, they conveniently forget their promises.
That's what I call hot air.
And even worse, the same idiots keep voting for them!
At least Reform is something new. I haven't read their manifesto yet, but whatever they promise I think we should give them a fair chance.
Only then, if they are elected and fail to stand by what they have published, criticise them by all means.
I have said this many times in the past: we get what we deserve.
As it is likely that either Conservatives or Labour (most likely the latter) will form the next government.
If so, the people of Britain will certainly have got what they deserve.
They say that you can't cure stupid!
Quote from: JBR on June 20, 2023, 09:33:38 PMI have said this many times in the past: we get what we deserve.
As it is likely that either Conservatives or Labour (most likely the latter) will form the next government.
If so, the people of Britain will certainly have got what they deserve.
They say that you can't cure stupid!
Well I don't think you & I, as Reform voters, will have got what we deserve, we'll just have to endure the mess that other's have foisted on us.
But that's ok as it's democratic stupidity.
Quote from: Diasi on June 20, 2023, 10:22:25 PMWell I don't think you & I, as Reform voters, will have got what we deserve, we'll just have to endure the mess that other's have foisted on us.
But that's ok as it's democratic stupidity.
Of course we who have voted for Reform would have nothing to criticise ourselves for, and wouldn't ourselves deserve what damage the Labour party (presumably) bring down on the country.
I should have said that the majority of people who voted for a known incapable and biased party are the ones who would get what they deserve.
Of course, we would all suffer.
As you say, that's democracy.