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Title: Sturgeon
Post by: Alex on January 28, 2023, 08:55:54 PM
Where next for wee Nicola ? she seems to have split the Scottish public with her crazy 'trans' ideas.  Another trans man has managed to get approval for a move to a female prison.  Tiffany Scott, formerly known as Andrew Burns has stalked a 13-year-old girl and attacked female staff while held in a men's prison.  Gawd knows what "Tiffany's" next crime will be.

That UN job Nicola craved looks very far away now......
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: JBR on January 28, 2023, 09:02:37 PM
I'm surprised that so many Scots vote for her.
Is it some sort of protest vote?
As I understand it, she stands for an independent Scotland, but I've heard it said in several places that the majority of Scots want to remain part of the UK.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Raven on January 28, 2023, 09:09:34 PM
Quote from: JBR on January 28, 2023, 09:02:37 PMI'm surprised that so many Scots vote for her.
Is it some sort of protest vote?
As I understand it, she stands for an independent Scotland, but I've heard it said in several places that the majority of Scots want to remain part of the UK.

Certain wealthy, mostly Tory parts want to stay, but lots of areas want away from Westminster rule. There is no trust anymore.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: JBR on January 28, 2023, 09:18:26 PM
Quote from: Raven on January 28, 2023, 09:09:34 PMCertain wealthy, mostly Tory parts want to stay, but lots of areas want away from Westminster rule. There is no trust anymore.
I can well understand that these days, of course.  But I have seen figures that show the majority want to keep the UK.  I can only assume that many of that majority don't think it's worth voting!
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Raven on January 28, 2023, 09:31:18 PM
That's possible. Myself included. I'm totally sick of it all. As I keep saying....If it happens it happens if not then it doesn't. I refuse to get all hot and bothered about it. :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Alex on January 30, 2023, 05:14:23 PM
If you can open this it's a clip of an ITV interview with Sturgeon, never seen her so agitated !

https://twitter.com/i/status/1620096486230085632
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: klondike on January 30, 2023, 05:49:22 PM
I'm pretty much certain that anybody can see it - no login required. Beware that it autorepeats. I reckon I saw it several times over before I realised  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: GrannyMac on January 30, 2023, 06:07:50 PM
Quote from: JBR on January 28, 2023, 09:02:37 PMI'm surprised that so many Scots vote for her.
Is it some sort of protest vote?
As I understand it, she stands for an independent Scotland, but I've heard it said in several places that the majority of Scots want to remain part of the UK.
I'm not. As a born and bred Scot, I believe the name is the key.  Policies don't really matter, nationalism is what has given them success. The word 'Scottish' in the name of the party sold it.  I'd imagine free prescriptions and free university tuition is popular, not too sure about the extra income tax though.  But the tide is definitely turning. 

Thanks for the clip Alex, embarrassing isn't it. 
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: 1955vintage on January 30, 2023, 06:13:24 PM
Mel Gibson has a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: JBR on January 30, 2023, 06:27:31 PM
Quote from: GrannyMac on January 30, 2023, 06:07:50 PMI'm not. As a born and bred Scot, I believe the name is the key.  Policies don't really matter, nationalism is what has given them success. The word 'Scottish' in the name of the party sold it.  I'd imagine free prescriptions and free university tuition is popular, not too sure about the extra income tax though.  But the tide is definitely turning.

That surprises me, Gran.
The problem is that if Scotland became an independent country, as the SNP wishes, free prescriptions and free university places wouldn't continue for long, I'm sure.
As part of the UK, Scotland receives more money than any other part of the UK, certainly England anyway.
Naturally, the Barnett Formula would end if Scotland left the UK.
Worse still, it has been suggested that Scotland would even become bankrupt, unless it was accepted as an EU member, and I'm afraid that that is not a certainty.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Michael Rolls on January 31, 2023, 03:47:41 AM
I have never seen La Nicola so flustered, and so unconvincing, before. She really got herself tied up in knots!
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: GrannyMac on January 31, 2023, 08:06:01 AM
Quote from: JBR on January 30, 2023, 06:27:31 PMThat surprises me, Gran.
The problem is that if Scotland became an independent country, as the SNP wishes, free prescriptions and free university places wouldn't continue for long, I'm sure.
As part of the UK, Scotland receives more money than any other part of the UK, certainly England anyway.
Naturally, the Barnett Formula would end if Scotland left the UK.
Worse still, it has been suggested that Scotland would even become bankrupt, unless it was accepted as an EU member, and I'm afraid that that is not a certainty.
I agree.  But there is a cohort who don't accept that, they see Scotland as being treated less favourably, and genuinely believe it'll be the land of milk and honey without England getting the best of everything.

Nicola would do better to concentrate on the drugs problem rather than pander to trans criminals.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Michael Rolls on January 31, 2023, 09:50:02 AM
absolutely - despite a little while back saying solving the problem was a top priority, it is getting worse
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Jacqueline on January 31, 2023, 10:19:36 AM
She is trying to defend the indefensible, by the same logic "trans men" should be in men's prison's? which I think the interviewer was getting at? just put the buggers in the segregation wing of the prison for their real sex, simple.
 
The whole thing is mad and I think our Nicola has taken on more than she can chew by getting bogged down in this irrelevant rubbish. She has a  major cost of living crisis, the NHS is on it's knees, drugs problems, who cares about a few freaks when there are more important things to worry about.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: JBR on January 31, 2023, 10:32:28 AM
Quote from: GrannyMac on January 31, 2023, 08:06:01 AMI agree.  But there is a cohort who don't accept that, they see Scotland as being treated less favourably, and genuinely believe it'll be the land of milk and honey without England getting the best of everything.

Nicola would do better to concentrate on the drugs problem rather than pander to trans criminals.
Less favourable?
I tell you, that if I were younger and free to move to Scotland, I think I would do so.
From what I hear, the health service up there leaves ours standing, universities (at least some of them) are some of the best available, less tax (of various kinds), etc, etc.
Scotland, to my English eyes anyway, appears to be 'the land of milk and honey'.
What, exactly, do the SNP supporters want to be done differently to how they are now?
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Michael Rolls on January 31, 2023, 10:41:14 AM
where do you get 'less tax' from? For the middle classes and up Income tax in Scotland is higher than the rest of the UK
I did work it out at the last budget, but can't lay my hands on my workings, but from memory I pay about £1200 more income tax than if I lived in England - but don't get me wrong. As far as I am concerned, Scotland is worth every penny, despite the SNP
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Jacqueline on February 01, 2023, 05:44:35 PM
Quote from: Michael Rolls on January 31, 2023, 10:41:14 AMwhere do you get 'less tax' from? For the middle classes and up Income tax in Scotland is higher than the rest of the UK
I did work it out at the last budget, but can't lay my hands on my workings, but from memory I pay about £1200 more income tax than if I lived in England - but don't get me wrong. As far as I am concerned, Scotland is worth every penny, despite the SNP
I didn't realise that Scotland set it's own taxes, I bet Drakeford will want the same powers for Wales then god help us all here.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Michael Rolls on February 01, 2023, 05:46:19 PM
good luck!
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Alex on March 18, 2023, 09:40:04 PM
Mr Sturgeon has resigned 'with immediate effect' this is after their communications head resigned on Friday.  I'm just wondering if Mr Murrell, on his way out, told where the £600,000 was stashed  :cool:
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Michael Rolls on March 19, 2023, 06:26:37 AM
and why he earlier denied the big drop in SNP membership - is Scotland finally waking up to SNP incompetence?
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: GrannyMac on March 19, 2023, 07:33:30 AM
I can only hope so Mike.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Diasi on March 19, 2023, 08:25:08 AM
A totally morally corrupt couple have been outed.

Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: klondike on March 19, 2023, 10:09:47 AM
SNP Loses 40% of its Members Following Sturgeon's Gender Self-ID Reforms

(https://dailysceptic.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Screenshot-2023-03-18-00.35.48-750x375.png)
Nicola Sturgeon has denied the SNP is in crisis as the party was forced to admit that more than 40% of its members have quit and her self-ID gender reforms were blamed for a recent mass exodus.

After weeks of refusing to provide the figure, the SNP said only 72,186 members were eligible to vote in the leadership contest – a drop of more than 50,000 on the 125,000 total the Nationalists boasted of in 2019.

In an astonishing decline, the total is believed to have dropped by more than 10,000 in this year alone as Ms Sturgeon became embroiled in a toxic political scandal over her self-ID gender reforms.

The membership tally also represents a drop of more than 30%| (31,698) on the last published count of 103,884 at the end of 2021, barely 14 months ago.

Ms. Sturgeon insisted her 89-year-old party was experiencing "growing pains" during the contest.

Just the latest instance of go woke, go broke. Will they ever learn?

My source : https://dailysceptic.org/2023/03/18/snp-loses-40-of-its-members-following-sturgeons-gender-self-id-reforms/

Original source : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/16/nicola-sturgeons-gender-reforms-blamed-snp-losing-40pc-membership/



Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Diasi on March 28, 2023, 07:07:19 PM
I've just watched the news with utter amazement as McPakistani is sworn in as First Minister.

If I hadn't known it was in Scotland I'd have thought the scene of the gathering at the foot of the stairs was in Karachi.

I'm pleased that Kate Forbes, a committed Christian who stuck to her principles which probably cost her the leadership, & whose family are generations of ethnic Scots, has refused to serve under a Muslim from an immigrant family.

Especially when he took the piss by demoting her to the job of rural affairs. 
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: morty on March 28, 2023, 07:20:37 PM
I'd be tempted to say I'll swop him for Sunak .... but I'm not sure who the winners or losers would be.

Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Alex on March 28, 2023, 07:33:38 PM
We can always hope come a general election the SNP will be out on their ears.  It wouldn't have happened under Krankie, but maybe this fella will carry on making mistake after mistake, as I believe he did in other jobs and the Scottish people will at last see the light..
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: GrannyMac on March 28, 2023, 11:08:53 PM
Alex, there is a huge diaspora of Scots within the UK who have never had a say on separating the country, however anyone who just happens to be living in Scotland does.  
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Alex on March 28, 2023, 11:29:25 PM
I guess the Scottish Parliament decided no vote for Scots not living in Scotland, wonder why ?   :grin:  What I find a bit distasteful is this Yousaf person gave his oath of allegiance in Urdu.   Now what the hell was that all about ? this is not Pakistan !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI3JBBlmej4
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Michael Rolls on March 29, 2023, 03:56:54 AM
bloody racist!!
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Michael Rolls on March 29, 2023, 07:24:46 AM
The more I listen to his racist comments, the more angry I get. With that attitude, the man is totally unsuitable for the position he has achieved. Had someone been complaining about coloured persons in positions of power, you can just imagine the uproar that would have resulted.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Raven on March 29, 2023, 09:08:49 AM
As I said in the other thread about the SNP, I'm no longer interested in them. I feel quite sick about the whole thing.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Diasi on March 29, 2023, 09:11:23 AM
How many white people hold top positions in Pakistan?

The SNP has already lost 40% of it's membership & Kate Forbes has taken 48% of SNP membership voters with her so, hopefully, she'll set her stall out to cause McPakistani some real grief from the back benches. 
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Raven on March 29, 2023, 09:43:31 AM
Between herself, nicola, and John Swinney there's a power in the back benches not to be played with.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: klondike on March 29, 2023, 09:55:01 AM
I'm surprised that the Conservative and Unionist party don't ditch the Unionist bit and let the SNP have as many referenda as they want. Monthly or even daily if they want. If one actually carried it would improve their chances of a majority in Westminster and as they've sold Northern Ireland down the river anyway with their crappy Brexit deal they can hardly claim to be over fussed about the Union.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Diasi on March 29, 2023, 09:55:08 AM
Quote from: Raven on March 29, 2023, 09:43:31 AMBetween herself, nicola, and John Swinney there's a power in the back benches not to be played with.
I think Sturgeon has made a canny move by endorsing McPakistani as she must know full well that he'll make a complete arse of the post of First Minister, just as he has with all his other Ministerial posts.

He's been set up to fail.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Raven on March 29, 2023, 10:03:59 AM
I don't like him and I know little about the two others, but if I had to have chosen then I suppose it would have been Kate.
As I said in the other thread, I think the SNP has hit the buffers, they will implode and then the betters ones reform and return. Just my thoughts on it all.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Diasi on March 29, 2023, 07:19:57 PM
Well First Minister McPakistani turned up to Holyrood in full traditional Pakistani garb today.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Raven on March 29, 2023, 07:38:46 PM
Yes I saw that. Hope it's not a sign of things to come. He also picked a mostly young and inexperienced lot to be his cabinet.  :waiting:
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Alex on March 29, 2023, 07:51:59 PM
If he tries to bring in Sharia law in Scotland, run for the border guys  :grin:
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Jacqueline on March 29, 2023, 09:11:33 PM
Any idea what the McPakistani tartan looks like?

Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Alex on March 29, 2023, 09:26:11 PM
 :grin:  :grin:  :grin:
Have a read of this Jacq !!!!

https://aboutislam.net/family-life/culture/muslims-scotland-islamic-tartan/
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: morty on March 29, 2023, 10:18:59 PM
Halal haggis .... whatever next.

I worry for you Scots ... I'm worrying for me too as we've got a Hindu south of the Border. 
I bet the Roman Catholics never thought this would happen when they had the Inquisition ... or perhaps they did!
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: 1955vintage on June 11, 2023, 02:49:06 PM
The true anguish of seeing her arrested has arrived south of the border.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yay: :yay: :yay:
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Cassandra on June 11, 2023, 02:56:10 PM
She'll be released in hours, unless 'Plod' has something factually reliable to go on. They all love her.

They're only going through the motions to ensure she won't be a martyr and has been treated like all the other arrestee's!

Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Michael Rolls on June 11, 2023, 03:02:24 PM
One can but hope that the reality will be different (although, Ah hay me duts, as they say up here). Frankly, the way that she and her cohorts have been even worse for Scotland than were Labour (not easy!) just to be different, no matter what the cost and the idiocy - the gender reassignment, the £600k walkabout, kowtowing to the even more wretched greens - they all deserve to end up inside!
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: GrannyMac on June 11, 2023, 03:19:56 PM
Interesting times both sides of the border! 🙄
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Raven on June 11, 2023, 03:22:42 PM
Just been reading about this, I knew it was coming, after all she can't be left out. I wonder though if the police are just pussyfooting about going through the motions, or if they really will get to the bottom of it all. Who knows? Certainly not me. :boo:  :cry:
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Alex on June 11, 2023, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: Michael Rolls on June 11, 2023, 03:02:24 PMOne can but hope that the reality will be different (although, Ah hay me duts, as they say up here). Frankly, the way that she and her cohorts have been even worse for Scotland than were Labour (not easy!) just to be different, no matter what the cost and the idiocy - the gender reassignment, the £600k walkabout, kowtowing to the even more wretched greens - they all deserve to end up inside!

Don't forget the Scottish ' embassies' abroad at a cost of 6 million pounds  !  Canada, China, America, France, Ireland, Germany and Belgium at the last count :smiley:
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Diasi on June 11, 2023, 05:41:58 PM
Quote from: Cassandra on June 11, 2023, 02:56:10 PMShe'll be released in hours, unless 'Plod' has something factually reliable to go on. They all love her.

They're only going through the motions to ensure she won't be a martyr and has been treated like all the other arrestee's!


Oh, I won't bother buying the popcorn in that case. Lol
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Raven on June 11, 2023, 06:30:20 PM
She's already been released, it was all Pre arranged that she talked with them.

BBC News - Police release Nicola Sturgeon without charge
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65873423
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Diasi on June 11, 2023, 09:17:59 PM
Quote from: Raven on June 11, 2023, 06:30:20 PMShe's already been released, it was all Pre arranged that she talked with them.

BBC News - Police release Nicola Sturgeon without charge
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-65873423
It's fairly commonplace with complex fraud investigations, which this is, for suspects to be arrested early on & then released until all the evidence is on place.

Sturgeon isn't being investigated for eating a piece of cake during Lockdown, she's being investigated for a £600,000 fraud.

But to listen to the news you would think that eating a piece of cake during Lockdown was a much more significant 'crime'.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Michael Rolls on June 12, 2023, 07:23:57 AM
but of course! :evil:  :evil:  :evil:
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Raven on June 12, 2023, 10:26:52 AM
Gloat all you want but that lady is very far from stupid, I don't believe for one moment she did anything at all.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Ashy on June 12, 2023, 10:37:39 AM
Maybe we are looking at the distraction when se should be looking st someone else altogether.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Diasi on June 12, 2023, 10:39:51 AM
Quote from: Raven on June 12, 2023, 10:26:52 AM
Quote from: Ashy on June 12, 2023, 10:37:39 AMMaybe we are looking at the distraction when se should be looking st someone else altogether.
Such as who?


June 12, 2023, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: Raven on June 12, 2023, 10:26:52 AMGloat all you want but that lady is very far from stupid, I don't believe for one moment she did anything at all.
Probably no one has, just an accounting error.

The problem with clever people, which she is, is that they think they're too clever for the little people to rumble them.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Cassandra on June 13, 2023, 09:49:45 PM
Quote from: Raven on June 12, 2023, 10:26:52 AMGloat all you want but that lady is very far from stupid, I don't believe for one moment she did anything at all.

This is however the very end of her. History is full of 'clever people' who fail, From Crassus to Richard Nixon, himself a lawyer. Like Thatcher, Blair and May they all fall for believing their own spin. I'm happy like millions of others that this procrastinating, pompous woman has at last been levelled. She made a lot about cake, now she can eat it.

Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Alex on June 14, 2023, 12:18:31 AM
She did go on a lot about cakegate   :grin:  :grin:  :grin:
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: klondike on June 14, 2023, 07:28:57 AM
She went on about a lot of things. 

That's why my dash for the change/off button for her rivalled the speed I achieve when I hear the Archers theme and I only nee a couple of notes of that.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Cassandra on June 14, 2023, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: klondike on June 14, 2023, 07:28:57 AMShe went on about a lot of things.

That's why my dash for the change/off button for her rivalled the speed I achieve when I hear the Archers theme and I only nee a couple of notes of that.

The Archers, blimey I'd forgotten that, once not to be missed, I bet its really woke today!
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: klondike on June 14, 2023, 03:02:31 PM
I bet its really woke today!

An everyday story of woke folk? No good asking me  :grin:

Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Diasi on June 14, 2023, 03:07:47 PM
Quote from: Cassandra on June 13, 2023, 09:49:45 PMThis is however the very end of her. History is full of 'clever people' who fail, From Crassus to Richard Nixon, himself a lawyer. Like Thatcher, Blair and May they all fall for believing their own spin. I'm happy like millions of others that this procrastinating, pompous woman has at last been levelled. She made a lot about cake, now she can eat it.


In 10 years time she'll be remembered as no more than "wasn't she the woman who was involved in a political party fund fraud".

The best she can hope for is as a Trivial Pursuit question.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Alex on June 14, 2023, 03:08:49 PM
Mrs Dale's Diary was more my Mum's thing :grin:
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Cassandra on June 14, 2023, 03:29:32 PM
Quote from: klondike on June 14, 2023, 03:02:31 PMI bet its really woke today!

An everyday story of woke folk? No good asking me  :grin:


:upvote:  :upvote:  :upvote:
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: GrannyMac on June 14, 2023, 03:30:40 PM
Quote from: Alex on June 14, 2023, 03:08:49 PMMrs Dale's Diary was more my Mum's thing :grin:
And mine. And Workers' Playtime.  I've never listened to an episode of the Archers but the theme tune remains in my head. Dum de dum de dum de dum, dum de dum de dum dum..🎼
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Michael Rolls on June 14, 2023, 06:06:31 PM
Quote from: GrannyMac on June 14, 2023, 03:30:40 PMAnd mine. And Workers' Playtime.  I've never listened to an episode of the Archers but the theme tune remains in my head. Dum de dum de dum de dum, dum de dum de dum dum..🎼
So memorable. Haven't listened for many years - used to be sine qua non
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: GHF on June 17, 2023, 06:38:00 PM
Perhaps she'll decide it's better to be a has-been than a never was.
:hmm:
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Cassandra on June 18, 2023, 02:51:50 PM
Quote from: JBR on January 31, 2023, 10:32:28 AMLess favourable?
I tell you, that if I were younger and free to move to Scotland, I think I would do so.
From what I hear, the health service up there leaves ours standing, universities (at least some of them) are some of the best available, less tax (of various kinds), etc, etc.
Scotland, to my English eyes anyway, appears to be 'the land of milk and honey'.
What, exactly, do the SNP supporters want to be done differently to how they are now?


Be free to join the EEC, not sell any oil, be £3,500 each a year worse off ex the Barnett Formula. just for a start. (list not exhausted)

It would be interesting to see if a 'Free NHS' (including prescriptions) would indeed be affordable, post separation independence and ignoring the dropped fossil fuel income?
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Diasi on June 18, 2023, 06:01:27 PM
Quote from: GHF on June 17, 2023, 06:38:00 PMPerhaps she'll decide it's better to be a has-been than a never was.
:hmm:
Well Jimmy Savile & Rolf Harris certainly weren't 'never was' but I wouldn't want to be remembered like them either.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Michael Rolls on June 18, 2023, 06:04:36 PM
the health service in Scotland, like the rest of the UK, has deteriorated, especially since Covid. Scotland's universities have slipped down the league table. When I was at school Scotland's education system was acknowledged as the best in the UK and one of the best in the world - no longer the case. To maintain power, the SNP are allowing the Greens - all 7 of them, to veto anything they don't like, which is just about everything sensible. Don't get me wrong - I love it here, but it is despite the Scottish government, not because of it
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: JBR on June 18, 2023, 06:48:01 PM
Quote from: Cassandra on June 18, 2023, 02:51:50 PMBe free to join the EEC, not sell any oil, be £3,500 each a year worse off ex the Barnett Formula. just for a start. (list not exhausted)

It would be interesting to see if a 'Free NHS' (including prescriptions) would indeed be affordable, post separation independence and ignoring the dropped fossil fuel income?
Yes, it seems that Scotland, or at least the SNP, is going pretty much the same way as we south of the border are.
I'd have expected the canny Scots to have resisted such movements.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Raven on June 18, 2023, 07:05:07 PM
Most Scots didn't want to leave the EU. Most are still fuming we got dragged out.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: JBR on June 18, 2023, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: Raven on June 18, 2023, 07:05:07 PMMost Scots didn't want to leave the EU. Most are still fuming we got dragged out.
Fair enough.
I'm afraid that those who wanted to remain in the EU were outvoted.
That's democracy.

If the majority of Scots still want to return to the EU, the best way to achieve that would be for the majority of them to vote to leave the UK.
I'm not sure what the rules about that are like, but presumably if a majority want it, it should pass.

I wouldn't recommend it, though.  When we were in the EU, they took us to the cleaners in two ways:
- we were issued with laws we were obliged to accept, and
- we had to pay them hand over fist with a great deal of 'membership fees'.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: morty on June 18, 2023, 10:50:52 PM
Quote from: Raven on June 12, 2023, 10:26:52 AMGloat all you want but that lady is very far from stupid, I don't believe for one moment she did anything at all.

I have to say I was a tad amazed myself ... I never had her down as sneaky. She always came across as very sincere and genuine (unlike other renowned sleaze bags south of the Border) .. a right little firebrand whether you liked her politics or not.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Raven on June 19, 2023, 05:51:45 AM
Quote from: morty on June 18, 2023, 10:50:52 PMI have to say I was a tad amazed myself ... I never had her down as sneaky. She always came across as very sincere and genuine (unlike other renowned sleaze bags south of the Border) .. a right little firebrand whether you liked her politics or not.

Exactly.  :upvote:


June 19, 2023, 05:59:28 AM
Quote from: JBR on June 18, 2023, 10:47:02 PMFair enough.
I'm afraid that those who wanted to remain in the EU were outvoted.
That's democracy.

If the majority of Scots still want to return to the EU, the best way to achieve that would be for the majority of them to vote to leave the UK.
I'm not sure what the rules about that are like, but presumably if a majority want it, it should pass.

I wouldn't recommend it, though.  When we were in the EU, they took us to the cleaners in two ways:
- we were issued with laws we were obliged to accept, and
- we had to pay them hand over fist with a great deal of 'membership fees'.

I think it's a bit like you ones with the voting down south, you want change but are scared to vote for it. So we always end up with either tory or Labour in power.
By the By..........I voted to leave the EU.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Michael Rolls on June 19, 2023, 06:03:37 AM
me too
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: klondike on June 19, 2023, 09:33:30 AM
Scotland seems to like big state. Some settle for SNP big state but even that isn't big enough for some.

What did Labour do to lose all those seats in Scotland? Was it just that leaving GB (but not the EU) tipped things to the SNP.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: GrannyMac on June 19, 2023, 10:42:53 AM
They didn't stress the Scottishness enough. It's the Braveheart emotions for some.  There are some Scots who prefer immigrants from anywhere over the English.  The 'Anyone but England' mentality as we hear in football.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: JBR on June 19, 2023, 10:47:36 AM
Quote from: Raven on June 19, 2023, 05:51:45 AMJune 19, 2023, 05:59:28 AM
I think it's a bit like you ones with the voting down south, you want change but are scared to vote for it. So we always end up with either tory or Labour in power.
By the By..........I voted to leave the EU.
I, for one, am not scared of voting for Reform.

If the majority vote is for Labour, as many suspect it will be, they'll soon realise their mistake...
or they probably won't, as they're obviously not very forward-looking.

As for the EU, although it is unlikely, I suspect that if we have another referendum I should not be surprised if the majority vote for us to hand our country over to a foreign power again.  It really matters little, as this country will eventually become the Islamic Republic of Britain anyway.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Diasi on June 19, 2023, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: morty on June 18, 2023, 10:50:52 PMI have to say I was a tad amazed myself ... I never had her down as sneaky. She always came across as very sincere and genuine (unlike other renowned sleaze bags south of the Border) .. a right little firebrand whether you liked her politics or not.
All the successful Ponzi Scheme fraudsters come across as sincere & genuine too.

If they looked like dodgy shysters no one would invest in their schemes.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Alex on June 19, 2023, 11:38:02 AM
Maybe too cynical but it seems to me the only party the Civil Service will ' service' is the Labour Party.  If, just if Reform got in (which they won't) the Civil Service would shut up shop to their ideas.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Diasi on June 19, 2023, 11:40:49 AM
Quote from: Alex on June 19, 2023, 11:38:02 AMMaybe too cynical but it seems to me the only party the Civil Service will ' service' is the Labour Party.  If, just if Reform got in (which they won't) the Civil Service would shut up shop to their ideas.
Unfortunately I think you're right.

Today's Civil Service is an utter disgrace.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: klondike on June 19, 2023, 11:53:58 AM
Perhaps Reform would have the balls to sack those that refuse to do their jobs. How many would it take to lose their pension rights before they decided maybe refusing wasn't so good an idea after all. 

As you say though we won't be finding out any time soon as our downward decline with two possible useless governments is assured.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Raven on June 19, 2023, 12:57:20 PM
Why is everyone so scared to vote for change, when all they ever do is grouse about both Tory n Labour?
If you don't vote for change then you won't get it, then IMO, you can't complain.  :waiting:
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: JBR on June 19, 2023, 01:11:08 PM
Quote from: Diasi on June 19, 2023, 11:40:49 AMUnfortunately I think you're right.

Today's Civil Service is an utter disgrace.
Very true.  They think they run the country now, and they probably do, but that is because we have no strong ministers in government.  It appears to be exactly like that excellent comedy, 'Yes Minister'.

If we should ever be lucky enough to elect a strong government which genuinely wants to rescue us, and our country, they could indeed turn around and bite the Civil Service on their backsides.  Something which has been wanting in this country for decades.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: klondike on June 19, 2023, 01:13:51 PM
Quote from: Raven on June 19, 2023, 12:57:20 PMWhy is everyone so scared to vote for change, when all they ever do is grouse about both Tory n Labour?
If you don't vote for change then you won't get it, then IMO, you can't complain.  :waiting:

Nobody votes for either party. They just vote against the other bunch of clowns.

I'll vote Reform. The only possible result of that will be a marginally increased chance that the candidate will retain their deposit but I'm not holding my breath on that.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: GrannyMac on June 19, 2023, 01:22:13 PM
Two more for Reform here, even though this is the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire!
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: JBR on June 19, 2023, 02:49:54 PM
Quote from: GrannyMac on June 19, 2023, 01:22:13 PMTwo more for Reform here, even though this is the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire!
And me, even though this is the wrong side of the Pennines!
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Alex on June 19, 2023, 03:11:40 PM
I read somewhere that Richard Tice said there would be a Reform candidate in every constituency at the GE
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: klondike on June 19, 2023, 03:14:54 PM
Yes he did. I made a couple of donations to the Brexit party and get Reform emails. I've not attended any events or made more contributions but might if is seems doing either will have any impact on UK politics. As it stands they'll get my vote but that is probably all.

I was a conservative party member hoping to vote for a successor to May but gave up on them before her downfall.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: JBR on June 19, 2023, 07:26:49 PM
Quote from: klondike on June 19, 2023, 03:14:54 PMYes he did. I made a couple of donations to the Brexit party and get Reform emails. I've not attended any events or made more contributions but might if is seems doing either will have any impact on UK politics. As it stands they'll get my vote but that is probably all.

I was a conservative party member hoping to vote for a successor to May but gave up on them before her downfall.
I feel the same, but I have never regarded Treason May as any benefit to this country.
Cameron, May, Boris, none of them have done very much for this country, I'm afraid.  In fact, I don't rate any of them since Maggie Thatcher, who really did lead this country as a strong PM.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: klondike on June 19, 2023, 09:52:05 PM
I know somebody who would have given you one hell of an argument on that  :grin:

I can see both sides of the Thatcher divide and can't make up my mind whether she created success or sowed the seeds of our decline. We could sure as hell do with having some of the industries her policies sent to the wall now.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Raven on June 19, 2023, 09:56:22 PM
 :angry: Bloody Woman. :nooo:
sorry needed to change a fact or two.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18275176.know-scotland-hasnt-voted-tory-half-century/
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: klondike on June 19, 2023, 09:59:54 PM
So that make two then  :grin:  The one I was thinking of almost certainly won't be here arguing. Which is both a shame and mainly my fault.

Possibly more of course. 
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Raven on June 19, 2023, 10:02:36 PM
Do you mean U.P.? I ended up putting her on ignore, she gave me headaches. :nooo:
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: klondike on June 19, 2023, 10:09:30 PM
No it's crabby. 

Being a miner he hated her with a vengeance. And the police which was why Wandering Walter made him flare up as he thought he was a retired copper. Whether he was or not I don't know but crabby caused him to bail out.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: GrannyMac on June 19, 2023, 11:05:33 PM
Quote from: Raven on June 19, 2023, 09:56:22 PM:angry: Bloody Woman. :nooo:
sorry needed to change a fact or two.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18275176.know-scotland-hasnt-voted-tory-half-century/
I know Scots who bought their corporation houses for a song through the Right to Buy. 😉. One of Maggie's more popular ideas. 
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: 1955vintage on June 20, 2023, 06:32:50 PM
And now we have a desperate shortage of council houses.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: GrannyMac on June 20, 2023, 07:31:45 PM
Quote from: 1955vintage on June 20, 2023, 06:32:50 PMAnd now we have a desperate shortage of council houses.
At least the Scottish government have withdrawn the Right to Buy. Council housing is more widely available there.  Westminster don't have the nerve to follow suit.

My point was that left wing politics often take a back seat when it comes to money.  Although in my years working in housing I did meet one tenant, a trade union lecturer, who stuck to his political principles, and didn't buy his council property.
Title: Re: Sturgeon
Post by: Diasi on June 20, 2023, 07:33:54 PM
Quote from: GrannyMac on June 19, 2023, 11:05:33 PMI know Scots who bought their corporation houses for a song through the Right to Buy. 😉. One of Maggie's more popular ideas.
Am I correct in thinking that council houses in Scotland are called 'The Scheme'?