I'm still on the Reform Party email list & this one was music to my ears as it mirrors what I've said about the UK leaving the ECHR & Refugee Convention.
1) Publish the origin of Channel migrants monthly.
2) Instruct the Navy to give the location of launch points immediately to the French police and also to publish them publicly.
3) Pick up and take back boats under the existing laws provided in the 1974 International Convention of Safety of Lives at Sea.
4) Withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights and the 1951 Refugee Conventiion.
5) Reform the Human Rights Act 1998
6) Merge the existing Border Force and Immigration Enforcement departments into a single dedicated force, to be called Her Majesty's Border Force (HMBF)
7) Remove the new HMBF from woke civil service control, attaching it to the Home Office as a separate entity.
sounds good - if only...
Quote from: Michael Rolls on August 09, 2022, 08:51:01 AMsounds good - if only...
If only voters would see past Tory & Labour & they were given a chance to get elected.
I might ask Truss's campaign team why they don't adopt these, what I regard as massive, General Election vote-winning policies.
Yep.
Their agenda has been music to my ears for quite a while as I still get their emails from when I made donations to the Brexit Party. It's why I'm so critical of the Tories although I may still give them my vote being in a marginal which has had a Labour MP in the past. If the polling shows the Tories to be a lost cause at the time of the next election (which is what I fully expect) and there is a Reform candidate then they will get my vote. If there is no Reform candidate I'll spoil the ballot instead.
I wish I could understand why we apparently prefer to vote for politicians that do unfavourable things to us time and again, when there are others whose aim in life is to make things better for us.
because the system is virtually self-perpetuating, forcing one to vote for the least unattractive party with a chance of winning.
I think they'll win a lot of votes with that agenda. Its high on many voters' lists.
There is no reason why the current government isn't immediately turning round at least the Albanians who come here illegally.
Most people are not happy with with Tory/Labour/Liberal parties, so why vote for them? just because you want to keep the other party out is a poor excuse (done it myself), vote for a party like Reform who might actually have new ideas and solve the dinghy crisis, the others sure as hell won't and all you will get is the same old stuff or worse from any of the big three because they don't really care. I hope Reform have a candidate in my area I will vote for them.
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I think people are full of good intentions but when push comes to shove they vote as they always have. I voted UKIP and when the results came out, only a few hundred did the same. I like Richard Tice he talks a lot of sense and it's thanks to him we now know about the Albanians. I believe his partner is journalist Isabel Oakeshott.
If a substantial number of votes go to a new party you will see the others adopting their policies. As in a referendum for leaving the e.u. so it is important to vote for what you want.
I completely agree with all of the above and I shall certainly vote for Reform UK.
As many have said, the real problem is our own voters!
We get what we deserve. It's just that so many are so stupid that they don't see the consequences.
Unfortunately the most likely beneficiaries of a Conservative party in disarray and a clueless opposition is likely to be the traditional protest vote party.
Fortunately too late for her though...
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The Liberal/SDP Alliance has probably seen the high point of its history now. It was formed by a small group of labour MPs with the aim of keeping themselves in their seats, and labour out of office, and they achieved that goal in 2010.
I'd hope that was so but am not as optimistic as you and fear that they will pick up protest votes of which there will surely be many. Having showed their complete willingness to ignore the biggest democratic vote ever held in this country followed by a crushing electoral defeat including this joyous result
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You'd think they would be sunk without a trace but they did reasonably well in this by election https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/24/lib-dem-byelection-win-spectacular-labour-hurt-tories-most
People have short memories and knee jerk reactions.
It has always been Labour or Conservative when we go to the polls..
Many years ago it was Conservative (upper class) Labour (working class)..
People would display in their windows who they were voting for.. I was bought up knowing those around me voted Labour..
There have been many different parties ,even the Loony Party.. also celebrities have jumped in on the act of voicing their opinion..
We just don't listen anymore.. and seldom read what THEY hope to do for us should they be voted into power. Simply because promises of 'this' and 'that' and changes are seldom carried out..
So many of us stick with what we know because we don't want the 'others' to win.. Or we just don't bother ..
I certainly would vote for the Reform Party.. if I believed everything they hoped for could be achieved.
The ongoing problem is that most people - and their dads - in this country have always voted strongly either Conservative or Labour.
It's like the same two football clubs vying for position, each with their own supporters who will never vote for the other side.
The real problem is that they are so brainwashed to vote for the one or the other, they completely ignore any possibility of voting for a third (or fourth) football team.
Consequently, these two are the only political parties which have ever been in power for over a hundred years.
Unfortunately, I just cannot see our electorate ever changing their positions.
Nevertheless, I shall vote for Reform UK in 2024 if they stand where I live.
Quote from: Ashy on August 09, 2022, 12:15:19 PMIf a substantial number of votes go to a new party you will see the others adopting their policies. As in a referendum for leaving the e.u. so it is important to vote for what you want.
I think Reform have got the MSM woried as this is how they describe him.
Richard James Sunley Tice is a British businessman and far-right politician who has been Leader of Reform UK since 6 March 2021.I voted for UKIP in the 2014 EU Election & it kicked Cameron's arse into giving us the 2016 EU Referendum & I'd like to think that this would work in 2024 but the stakes are a lot higher as it could let Labour into power if the percentage of voters who swing to Reform aren't equal between Tory & Labour.
I agree.
I am sure that Reform UK will not receive sufficient votes in order to form a government.
However, as long as Labour and Conservative politicians believe that many of us will vote for Reform UK in 2024 and therefore take away votes from them, perhaps they will begin to consider what specific changes Reform are promising their voters and even decide to offer those same changes as part of their own manifestos!
Even so, what good will that do when we all know the politicians lie and what they promise in their manifestos will be unlikely to be delivered!
In our system, Reform could come second in every constituency. That would mean they got nearly twice the votes of the "winners" and yet not get a single seat. Whereas the SNP can win over 50 seats with less votes than a minor party in England. How democracy works.
Quote from: Ashy on August 09, 2022, 08:14:51 PMIn our system, Reform could come second in every constituency. That would mean they got nearly twice the votes of the "winners" and yet not get a single seat. Whereas the SNP can win over 50 seats with less votes than a minor party in England. How democracy works.
Exactly what is wrong with our 'first past the post' system.
We really need proportional representation if we want true democracy.
I think UKIP's main path to success was in persuading Cameron that they were predominantly taking Tory votes. Whether or not they really were is irrelevant once Cameron thought they were.
Quote from: klondike on August 09, 2022, 08:46:33 PMI think UKIP's main path to success was in persuading Cameron that they were predominantly taking Tory votes. Whether or not they really were is irrelevant once Cameron thought they were.
Yes indeed.
If only the same thing happens again in 2024 it would almost certainly be to our advantage.
With Liz Truss has Prime Minister it will very much look like a reformed party, with men very much in charge over the last few years and doing a poor job. Rishi has PM it would hand the the general election on a plate to the Labour Party. I am hoping Liz will make good use of the ladies who were in the leadership contest with her. I strongly feel Rishi and his team had a lot to do with them being vote out. One lady already been offered a job with Liz.
Quote from: hugh on August 13, 2022, 10:43:51 AMWith Liz Truss has Prime Minister it will very much look like a reformed party, with men very much in charge over the last few years and doing a poor job. Rishi has PM it would hand the the general election on a plate to the Labour Party. I am hoping Liz will make good use of the ladies who were in the leadership contest with her. I strongly feel Rishi and his team had a lot to do with them being vote out. One lady already been offered a job with Liz.
Yes, I'm beginning to hope that, out of the hopeless candidates available, Truss will win.
We've had two female PMs so far: one, the best we've had since Churchill; the other, a complete and unmitigated disaster and, like Boris, a blatent liar.
I'm hoping that the third turns out to be like the first.
Quote from: JBR on August 09, 2022, 08:32:09 PMExactly what is wrong with our 'first past the post' system.
We really need proportional representation if we want true democracy.
Yes and a better one than they tried to give us some years ago, they knew we would turn that one down, why didn't they offer us the same PR as the EU one, the answer being they know their parties would be the losers, they are daft but not that daft.
Time will tell. It will be a very short time too as the shit will start hitting the fan when the power bills start hitting the doorsteps (or more likely appear on the websites - I haven't had a power bill through the letterbox in decades now).
With Jacob Rees-Mogg supporting Liz, an MP who in his own right would make an excellent PM. is good news. I really feel we have no need to worry about our power bill Liz will already have it sorted, but not going to reveal it, for Rishi to copy. Liz will be just has strong M.Thatcher but in a very different way.