After the great and the good have warned that 'thousands' will die in the heat wave (well, depending on how long it lasts, that could well be true - after all on average around 10,000 people die a week in the UK) - but it doesn't mean that it is because of the heat.
A study by the Lancet, commented on in yesterday's paper, determined that for the period 2000-2019, annual excess deaths associated with heat numbered 791. During the same period the excess deaths where cold was a factor was 60,500.
On balance a warmer climate would seem to be an advantage rather than a threat
Mike
didn't make it clear - that 60.500 is per year, not total
Mike
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/07/17/eighty-times-more-excess-deaths-associated-with-cold-each-year-than-heat/
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Amid all the hysteria about next week's extreme temperatures – which could climb to 41°, according to the Met Office – it's worth bearing in mind that many, many more excess deaths in England and Wales are associated with cold each year than with heat. According to a recent study in the Lancet Planetary Health, between 2000 and 2019, there were an average of 65,000 excess deaths per year in England and Wales associated with cold, but fewer than 800 a year associated with heat. In other words, roughly 80 times more deaths per year are associated with cold than heat.
Needless to say, the report's authors blame these excess deaths on 'climate change' in general and have nothing to say about the likelihood of the 65,000 figure increasing next winter as a result of rising energy bills.
The researchers analysed 10.7 million deaths that occurred in England and Wales between 2000 and 2019 across over 37,473 small areas that include around 1,600 residents, also known as lower super output areas (LSOAs). They then linked these data with high-resolution gridded temperature maps and potential drivers of vulnerability to heat and cold, including demographic and socio-economic factors, health and disability, housing and neighbourhood, landscape, and climatological characteristics. This allowed the researchers to characterise differences across small areas and map variation in temperature-related mortality risks across the two countries.
Dr Pierre Masselot, Research Fellow in in Environmental Epidemiology and Statistics at LSHTM and co-author of the study, said: "The results come at a critical time as countries and communities face increasing health impacts due to climate change and need to find effective ways to adapt to changing temperatures. The analytical framework also provides a flexible tool that can be adapted for future studies which aim to model temperature-related risks and impacts at small-area level under different climate change scenarios."
The authors emphasised that, while the research showed that excess mortality attributed to cold was significantly higher than that attributed to heat, these results should be interpreted with caution as more cold than hot days were recorded throughout the year. Despite this, they highlighted that cold-related mortality is evidently a considerable health burden, particularly in deprived areas, and should be addressed with targeted public health interventions.
Nevertheless, any un-biased person reading this report cannot help but conclude that the rising cost of utility bills caused, in part, by the Government's pursuit of 'net zero' will result in far more deaths than next week's heat wave.
If you really care about reducing deaths due to extreme temperatures, shouldn't you focus your energies on getting the Government to scrap its 'net zero' target, lift the ban on fracking and start investing billions in nuclear, instead of disrupting traffic and sporting events?
You can read the Lancet Planetary Health study here (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(22)00138-3/fulltext).
common sense suggestion - which means that it will be ignored.
Quote from: Michael Rolls on July 18, 2022, 08:57:29 AMcommon sense suggestion - which means that it will be ignored.
Hang on, we're getting a new PM so energy bills & the cost-of-living will plummet, net-zero emmissions will be achieved at no cost & electric cars will cost no more than the equivalent petrol car etc.
Happy days are ahead.
Didn;
Quote from: Diasi on July 18, 2022, 09:05:23 AMelectric cars will cost no more than the equivalent petrol car etc.
Didn't Keir say everybody on Tax Credits would be getting one free? Or was that Boris along with council houses being converted to private and the mortgages paid for by benefits? I do get so confused now I've ditched my TV licence and no longer get the BBC giving me the news.
Global warming....my two globes in the lower region
are warming up.
Quote from: klondike on July 18, 2022, 09:17:19 AMDidn;Didn't Keir say everybody on Tax Credits would be getting one free? Or was that Boris along with council houses being converted to private and the mortgages paid for by benefits? I do get so confused now I've ditched my TV licence and no longer get the BBC giving me the news.
I think Boris is wanting building societies to treat benefits as income for mortgage purposes, which seems commonsense to me as income is income from whatever the source is.
I guess benefits are more secure than most zero contract jobs. After all unlike employers governments just seem to print more money if they run short. Corbyn clearly told the Tories where his money tree was planted and they have kept producing the bullshit it needs for fertiliser.
The lockdown bullshit produced a huge harvest of cash for distribution.
As regards the heatwave, I can't see any problem with 40c, I certainly won't slip & break my hip as I could do at -10c.
Anyway how's this for stupid, I was looking at an airconditioner & the instructions said the cooling function shouldn't be used at ambient temperatures above 36c, to prevent damage to the unit.
Lol, you couldn't make it up!!!!!
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Quote from: Diasi on July 18, 2022, 09:05:23 AMHang on, we're getting a new PM so energy bills & the cost-of-living will plummet, net-zero emmissions will be achieved at no cost & electric cars will cost no more than the equivalent petrol car etc.
Happy days are ahead.
Thank heaven for that! Happy days are (nearly) here again!
Mike :yay: :yay:
July 18, 2022, 10:28:32 AMQuote from: Diasi on July 18, 2022, 10:05:13 AMAs regards the heatwave, I can't see any problem with 40c, I certainly won't slip & break my hip as I could do at -10c.
Anyway how's this for stupid, I was looking at an airconditioner & the instructions said the cooling function shouldn't be used at ambient temperatures above 36c, to prevent damage to the unit.
Lol, you couldn't make it up!!!!!
Bleedinellfire! What planet are they on?
Mike
I've been to the pool in the leisure centre this morning, bliss. I'm at home now, cold drink and sandwich, feet up this pm. I wish I was in Scotland, preferably on the East Coast, its about 23c there. Hot enough for me where Mike and Raven are I bet.
It's hotter than usual for here, but I don't know what the temp is just now. When I came out of the pool at 8.30am the car guage said 22, but it's hotter than that now.
Went out to the car to see the gauge, it's like a blast from the oven out there. Guage is now at 31.😫FB_IMG_1658147340896.jpg
34 outside here. 28 inside but doesn't feel bad as the humidity is low. Very low outside in fact.
25C here - but 26C in the lounge (solar gain) but OK with the fan on
Mike
I'm saving the fan...
Times like these pay attention with your pets. I exercise her at 0500 and kept her in doors during the day. I noticed her tail was down and not looking to happy, I put that right by giving her a shower.
I always used to walk Fleur either very early or very late when it was hot
At the moment Dageus is flat out with the fan blowing cool air over him, he's quite happy. I walked him as soon as I got in from the pool went to the forest as it's shady.
Tomorrow I'll be walking him before I swim as it's to be even hotter....groan.🥵🥵🥵
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Apparently I have to watch my dog carefully in case she gets lethargic in the heat. She is a basset, lethargic is her normal self.
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Yup, sure is hot...
Fleur used to do a Dageus! When it was hot, we would sit in the lounge with the pedestal fan playing on Veronica and myself, and a floor fan playing on Fleur - she used to love it
Mike
Phoned my boss this morning and asked if i could work from home.
"Don't be a prat Floydy", he answered, "You're a bleedin' bus driver...."
My grand-dog's walks are being put on hold for today and tomorrow :upvote:
Lol, so long as when he offers you a drink you don't say "bottoms up" Pool Party.jpeg
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I couldn't sleep so got up early, did a few chores, got a couple of loads of washing out and filled the spare fridge with orange squash.
I'm now sitting in the shade with a library book on my IPad. Good luck everyone in the heat today.
Quote from: Diasi on July 19, 2022, 08:47:35 AMLol, so long as when he offers you a drink you don't say "bottoms up"
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I was out at 0730 to take advantage of the cool - still not as hot as forecast = well, not yet, but it is supposed to peak around 1400-1500.
Mike
Phew !!!!
Actually, at the moment, it is really pleasant outside, although we have another 3-4 hours before the forecast peak.
30 deg in the house at the moment. 34 deg outside. It'll probably hit 36-7.
I feel for my daughter down in Cambridge. It's going to be a lot hotter there!
Bit cooler here this morning but I still took Dageus out at 5.30am before I went to the pool.
37 out 29.5 in. Outdoor humidity only 24% and 40% inside so I have west facing patio door open. I reckon the low humidity trumps the temperature. I didn't have a fan going til mid afternoon yesterday but it's been going at least an hour today already.
This is called summer. It does similar things most years and always has although today may set a new high.
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You're welcome!
37c outside, 30.5c in the upstairs thermostat room & 26.5c in the downstairs thermostat room.
I can't say I find it all that troubling, except for our external alarm sounder triggering as the heat is affecting the tamper switch as the plastic body must be expanding beyond the limits.
Just made my fourth batch of ice cream. Vanilla, strawberry and cherry with choc chunks and a raspberry sorbet to die for ( add lime).
This heat wave has been fun.
Its 26 here right now (10am), with 70% humidity and a cool breeze, set to break 30 perhaps this afternoon. The three dogs alternate between baking themselves in the Conservatory then cooling off under the Air-Con unit!
My weather station graph shows today's peak is probably passed now. It was 40.3 and is now 40 with a humidity of 19%. 30.9 in lounge and humidity 34%.
I haven't felt particularly uncomfortable at any time. Best place is in the cellar where it is a lot cooler. No thermometer down there and I forgot to take one when I was there earlier.
38c outside. 34c inside..
My fan is merrily whirling around..
Memories of popping down to the creek spring to mind..
Sometimes a nosey shark would make an appearance..
Far too hot for me..
I hate to think what the temperature might be in my loft....
Don't even go there.. !!
I have a road sign that stands in my front garden.. I made it myself and the pointers (arrows) name places and distances.. It is painted of many colours .. I would post it here but I don't know how..
I have one that reads Neverland .. second star on the left...
Round the Co-op... Chuck a left..
and my latest is. Don't Even Go There..
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I won't. I was curious about the cellar though and checked. Just goes to show how everything is relative. The nice cool cellar is actually 26 to 27c. If asked to guess I'd have put it at 20.
I forgot to put a thermometer outside, so I don't know what the temperature reached, but I have just had a stroll outside on a very pleasant, warm summer's early evening/late afternoon, with not a hint of danger to life and limb. OK, I know that I am lucky, and that some areas are experiencing unpleasant heat, but for pity's sake - a couple of days warmer than usual and the country comes to a shuddering halt? What the hell is going on? I understand some unions are trying to get it agreed that nobody should have to work at temperatures above 25C - what the HELL? Every year we get a few days that warm and further south it must be much more prevalent. Perhaps the dustmen, lorry drivers etc should work from home?
Mike
Tell me about it. I was to get a delivery of dog food, had to get it online as I can't get it here since the Pandemic for some reason. :waiting: I was tracking it and it was due today, THEN, a short time ago I get an email saying due to the heat my stuff won't be delivered today. :wtf: Needless to say I'm fuming. :yell:
This is different to what we have known before down here..
How I envy you your 'Pleasant evening stroll.' Enjoy.
July 19, 2022, 06:42:34 PM
I recorded indoor temperatures of 30c this morning at 9am..
Charlwood, a Village near me, recorded the highest at 31c. At 9 am.
My granddaughter experienced driving over melting tarmac.. she said it was very strange.. She is in Lincolnshire..
I don't know accurate our car outdoor temperature gauge is but at 15:00 it was showing 43.5c.
The news has just said that Lincolnshire recorded the highest temp.. It was over 40c
Yay! I'm off to Skeggy in a couple of weeks, lol.
2 weeks? It'll be gales storms and overnight frost by then.
Quote from: Scrumpy on July 19, 2022, 06:51:28 PMThe news has just said that Lincolnshire recorded the highest temp.. It was over 40c
RAF Coningsby at 40.3c.
I suppose all the official figures have to come from an official weather station but some places will have been considerably hotter.
There will be standardised housings. The temperatures are "in the shade" so the housing needs to meet that requirement to some specified degree. Car thermometers, thermometers hanging on a garden wall etc. including amateur grade weather stations such as my own will not meet the requirements.
Quote from: klondike on July 19, 2022, 07:32:53 PMThere will be standardised housings. The temperatures are "in the shade" so the housing needs to meet that requirement to some specified degree. Car thermometers, thermometers hanging on a garden wall etc. including amateur grade weather stations such as my own will not meet the requirements.
Yes, exactly my point but, of course, the places where the standardised weather stations are located aren't necessarily the hottest, or coldest, places on any particular day.
I opened the window a few inches when I went to bed last night and there was a big bang in the middle of the night. My glass of water had gone flying, box of tissues on the floor etc. I mopped up, closed the window, got another glass of water and put my head on the pillow on top of my lip salve.
When I looked out of the window this morning, our neighbour's pots are all over the garden so it must have been a strong blast of wind.
I have a mesh wifi setup that has been working over a year with no issues. This morning I have had all manner of problems with it and have had to power cycle all of the units and the main router to get things going properly again. Temperature? I don't know for sure but am suspicious.
We had a darkness descend at around 8pm last evening.. I heard a couple of raindrops on the sun roof.. a rumble of thunder in the distance.. I thought.. this is it.. a storm to end all storms.
NOTHING..
The hottest night yet.. bloody horrible.. Good job we are not at war in this heat .. we would never cope....
We had a darkness descend around 9:30pm here. I blame climate change.
Yeah!! Just proves that you are slower at doing things up there..
Or we eat more carrots...
Last night was the worst night ever ! I had a fan on all night, window wide open, in the shower 3 times through the night, and it was still unbearable. I went out in the garden about 2am just in a strappy cotton nightie, bloody security lights lit my way over to a chair on the patio :grin: Not a pretty sight so hope my neighbours weren't doing the same !
This morning the sun is still beating down but we have a breeze so feels a little cooler than yesterday.
I've never known indoor heat like it. No breeze here last night, the fan wasn't that effectual, but I was shattered, and actually slept a few hours. Cooler today, and the pool at the leisure centre felt amazing!
I was more comfortable yesterday than I have been for some of today. The temperature is down but the humidity is well up. Not so bad now though.
It's been lovely here today. Overcast so no harsh sunlight. A strong sea breeze but temp about 23deg - much more pleasant than yesterday.
Quote from: Diasi on July 19, 2022, 07:28:26 PMRAF Coningsby at 40.3c.
I suppose all the official figures have to come from an official weather station but some places will have been considerably hotter.
Considering that the measuring device is apparently half way down the runway there may not have been.
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/07/20/climate-alarmists-turn-up-the-heat-as-temperature-records-broken-at-british-airports/
Not at all surprised - the doom mongers will say anything to support their idiotic, expensive push for 'net zero'
Mike
Quote from: Alex on July 20, 2022, 12:35:40 PMLast night was the worst night ever ! I had a fan on all night, window wide open, in the shower 3 times through the night, and it was still unbearable. I went out in the garden about 2am just in a strappy cotton nightie, bloody security lights lit my way over to a chair on the patio :grin: Not a pretty sight so hope my neighbours weren't doing the same !
This morning the sun is still beating down but we have a breeze so feels a little cooler than yesterday.
Quote from: Scrumpy on July 20, 2022, 09:48:24 AMWe had a darkness descend at around 8pm last evening.. I heard a couple of raindrops on the sun roof.. a rumble of thunder in the distance.. I thought.. this is it.. a storm to end all storms.
NOTHING..
The hottest night yet.. bloody horrible.. Good job we are not at war in this heat .. we would never cope....
Ladies at least get your bedrooms air conditioned, it could honestly be a life saver and don't say its not worth it for a few days a year, it's really wonderful to escape to a cool room to sleep in, Don't get the silly, awkward fill up cabinet things. Go for a proper inverter cabinet outside and an inside wall fan unit (remote control), which connects via a small pipe. I had aircon in the UK for over 30 years and it's amazing how fresh it makes you feel all year round.
Remember its the elevated humidity levels that are the real discomforter these days anyway! Plus its a super way to heat a bedroom too in the winter. You can get a room done for a small capital cost and it takes an installer no more than three hours to fit them (£250) and its so simple. I attach a link to see how cheap these things are nowadays. And their only 1.5KWh units so cheap to run. I had them in four rooms and had two invector cabinets (outside), linked to 4 inside wall units. Personally I'd recommend Fujitsu, perhaps 20% more, but the Rolls Royce, along with Toshiba. In all that time, the only thing I ever replaced were the rubber strips (like windscreen wiper blades) that fitted on the vent strips in the wall units!
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164904799176?
Thank you Cassandra.. It all sounds so wonderful..
But I was only a Dinner Lady.. in my previous life..
And I think Alex was something connected with numbers..
And pensioners were last in the queue when they dished out the money..
We are tough old birds though.. They don't make them like us anymore.. We will fight on..
OK, heres a solemn promise in front of a few witnesses. I'll leave you both the money in my will to have this job undertaken, about £800 (adjusted for inflation) if I go first!
:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: I wish you , as I wish for myself, a long and healthy life...
All back to normal now - it's raining Gott sei Dank !
But thank you for the link Cass I've saved it, just incase :upvote:
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It was good value though. A couple of hot days. A couple of even hotter days. Something to talk about for a couple of weeks. We'll likely be referring back to it for a few years to come too. Hopefully not by saying we only got a couple of really hot days in 2022 and look at it now.
Probably Old Nick giving Boris a leaving do.