This seems to be at the head of the news today.  A man wielding a full-sized sword in Londonistan (where else?) who has injured attending police officers.
He has finally been arrested and will, in time, no doubt be given a stern warning or possibly given a room in a nut house, with all mod cons of course.

What occurs to me to ask, if anyone should know, is whether ours is the only country in the world which does not provide its police with side arms for self-protection?  And should we do so?

Of course, we wouldn't want to become like America, where the rule is 'shoot first and ask questions later'.  However, all west European countries arm their police routinely, yet they don't suffer from the American attitude.

I have just heard a retired police man explaining (on GB News) that many police officers are now refusing to be armed simply because they know that they will not be supported, if they act to protect themselves or the public, by their superiors, the courts, or the government.  A good reason why today we do not have the number of police which we really need.

Tragic, a 13 year old has died! Devastating for his family. 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hainault-tube-station-stabbing-incident-latest-news-rpp39kvt7

Our police are vulnerable.. Their lives are at risk just being out there..
There is little respect for them from those wielding knives or aiming firearms..
Killing anyone today is not such a big thing by those who commit the crime..
because they know they will be protected in court by fancy lawyers..

Quote from: Scrumpy on April 30, 2024, 02:02:43 PMOur police are vulnerable.. Their lives are at risk just being out there..
There is little respect for them from those wielding knives or aiming firearms..
Killing anyone today is not such a big thing by those who commit the crime..
because they know they will be protected in court by fancy lawyers..

Absolutely true.
It is high time that this country made the necessary changes to overcome these tangible dangers which are overcoming us, especially in our capital city.

- Far more serious punishments for crimes such as this, including the restoration of hanging for murder.
- Far less support and excuse-making to help criminals who then quietly laugh behind their backs.
- Immediate removal of anyone here illegally when they commit any crime, even minor crimes.
- The arming of all police just as all other European countries presently do, along with the right to shoot to protect themselves and members of the public, and full support to defend them from the inevitable lawyers seeking to prosecute them for doing their duty.
- None of the above can possibly take place until we have a real government in power.

It was in Hainault, actually Essex as it used to be. A quiet little village going out towards Chigwell (when I was a boy 65 years ago). My cousin who lives there still, (80 and a cancer surviving widow) rung me a little while back. She's terrified to go out as this is not a new thing. Says Asian gangs of Sunni and Shia Muslims wage territory boundary warfare after dark in what is now as she describes it a "drug ridden shithole'.

Apparently the 'tube station' is a real no go area after 7pm.

Over here the Police used to enjoy 'potting' the bastards, but now even that useful action has been leaned on thanks to the 'Wokerati'. Still I'm told further South, it still occurs and most of the White population closes ranks and turns their back upon these 'happenings'. Any killings are hushed up before the BLM nutters get to know too much about it.

Quote from: Cassandra on April 30, 2024, 05:13:21 PMStill I'm told further South, it still occurs and most of the White population closes ranks and turns their back upon these 'happenings'. Any killings are hushed up before the BLM nutters get to know too much about it.

That sounds like a plan..
We should have an open shooting season.. Between January and November.. 
They can have Christmas off..

Quote from: Scrumpy on April 30, 2024, 07:01:33 PMThat sounds like a plan..
We should have an open shooting season.. Between January and November..
They can have Christmas off..

It seems Scrumps the 'Cops' Stateside are learning fast to just watch the different tribes & cults cull each other in a definite trend over the past year or so. As one said to me "why step in to stop em killing each other and then get blown out yourself for trying to break it up?, it wouldn't be the cops restraining Loyd in any way today" "Let the bastards do it for their selves"

The huge 'leaking' border in the south ensures the the 'gangs' are well manned and recruitment is no problem for the gang masters. It's 'reckoned' that they kill each other in their territorial internecine conflicts at about an 8 to 1 ratio v Whites & Cops, as so few white kids are in black gangs these days. Of course the 'Bill' are well numbered here with supreme marksmen and ex services snipers. They are also less likely to get nailed in the 'Red' States as against the wet, Democrat Blue ones, such as 'Woke a Cola' California and New York. We also benefit or suffer (depending on your viewpoint) from differing State rights and legislation.

Texas of course 'The Lone Star State', can pull out of the Union (secede) at any time (from 1845) and it's laws reflect the same individuality. If my family had not been here and the weather quite so humid South of the 'Mason Dixon line', I would have gone there. Great people and very pro 'Brit'.

Serious mental health issues seem to go untreated since 'Care in the Community' became the norm.  Perhaps its time some politicians stopped pussyfooting around and made some hard decisions. Voices telling you to harm and/or kill? Locked ward in a psych hospital for the forseeable.  Don't want to take the medication that stops these thoughts? Same hospital. 

The public are at risk, anyone could be a target, look at the recent murders in Nottingham! Innocent people dead because people who have seriously twisted thoughts are free to do what they want. 

Quote from: Cassandra on April 30, 2024, 05:13:21 PMOver here the Police used to enjoy 'potting' the bastards, but now even that useful action has been leaned on thanks to the 'Wokerati'. Still I'm told further South, it still occurs and most of the White population closes ranks and turns their back upon these 'happenings'. Any killings are hushed up before the BLM nutters get to know too much about it.

It seems Scrumps the 'Cops' Stateside are learning fast to just watch the different tribes & cults cull each other in a definite trend over the past year or so. As one said to me "why step in to stop em killing each other and then get blown out yourself for trying to break it up?, it wouldn't be the cops restraining Loyd in any way today" "Let the bastards do it for their selves"

An excellent situation, in my opinion.  I could live with that.
I'm not generally anti-black or anti-muslim, in fact I have friends of both 'persuasions', but when there are criminals of either or both types and I see them getting everything they deserve, I'm sure I would pretend not to have seen anything.

April 30, 2024, 09:04:22 PM

Quote from: GrannyMac on April 30, 2024, 07:53:42 PMSerious mental health issues seem to go untreated since 'Care in the Community' became the norm.  Perhaps its time some politicians stopped pussyfooting around and made some hard decisions. Voices telling you to harm and/or kill? Locked ward in a psych hospital for the forseeable.  Don't want to take the medication that stops these thoughts? Same hospital.

I also strongly agree with this.
It isn't that long ago when we had such 'hospitals' here, in fact I'm sure I remember hearing about them as a young man.  I'm not sure exactly when the naive do-gooders decided to get rid of them.  Around the 1960s perhaps, when so many other steps backward were taken in this country.

My ma in law was a psychiatric nursing sister, the hospital she worked in was well known in the area.  It had different levels of wards, people with mild issues might be hospitalised short term, but there were long term secure patients. My cousin developed schizophrenia as a young woman, and was hospitalised there.  She died there when she was still relatively young, her life outside of hospital was a car crash. 

Quote from: GrannyMac on April 30, 2024, 10:10:54 PMMy ma in law was a psychiatric nursing sister, the hospital she worked in was well known in the area.  It had different levels of wards, people with mild issues might be hospitalised short term, but there were long term secure patients. My cousin developed schizophrenia as a young woman, and was hospitalised there.  She died there when she was still relatively young, her life outside of hospital was a car crash.

I think there are some quite different levels of 'mental health issues'.

Your cousin, I assume, was a perfectly safe patient though sadly she died young.

The sort of people I'm thinking of are dangerous people who should be kept well away from society for as long as it takes, for life if necessary.
I still believe in a life for a life, mental problems included.

Quote from: JBR on April 30, 2024, 10:23:45 PMI think there are some quite different levels of 'mental health issues'.

Your cousin, I assume, was a perfectly safe patient though sadly she died young.

The sort of people I'm thinking of are dangerous people who should be kept well away from society for as long as it takes, for life if necessary.
I still believe in a life for a life, mental problems included.

Who knows! If she had been left on her own (parents were dead) she might not have taken her medication, and the voices might have told her to commit some horrific act.  Containment made sure it didn't happen.  The murderer in Nottingham was known not to take his medication, he was being 'managed inthe community'.  But he really wasn't.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-68080872#:~:text=He%20was%20prescribed%20anti%2Dpsychotic,his%20family%20members%20would%20die.

What a pity that policewoman wasn't armed then she could have shot that man dead .
Dangerous people are dangerous people mental problems nonwithstanding .
This man will never be allowed out in society again and will be a burden for decades .

Which begs the question what happens to the criminally insane ?
Who looks after them ?
What happens to geriatric murderers ?

Don't they become traffic wardens?

Quote from: muddy on May 01, 2024, 08:31:17 AMWhat a pity that policewoman wasn't armed then she could have shot that man dead .
Dangerous people are dangerous people mental problems nonwithstanding .
This man will never be allowed out in society again and will be a burden for decades 

'This man will never be allowed out in society again'

Don't you believe it.. 
  There is every chance that he will fool the authorities .. take his medicine.. find Christ.. 
In time he will be 'free to roam'..