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Title: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: hugh on August 03, 2022, 12:08:35 PM
Scotland got Independence just how would the border be controlled and at what cost to the tax payer. Many Scottish people live and work in England, has Nicola given any thought to them, and would any them been allowed a vote in a referendum ?????
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: Ashy on August 03, 2022, 12:30:17 PM
We don't know that the border would be controlled. I see no reason to control it.
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: Jacqueline on August 03, 2022, 12:33:06 PM
We could get boarder farce to dump the dinghy boys in Scotland, Nicola want's to re-populate Scotland.
Sorry Raven ands other Scottish people, I don't know who else she intends to re-populate with?
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: Ashy on August 03, 2022, 01:08:26 PM
Some of the dinghists are enjoying the four star luxury around Scotland already.
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: hugh on August 03, 2022, 01:55:08 PM
Quote from: Ashy on August 03, 2022, 12:30:17 PMWe don't know that the border would be controlled. I see no reason to control it.
If no controls just what is the point in a referendum. They already raise their own taxes and do what ever they like with money received. If their intention is to rejoin the EU controls will have to be put in place. I know Scotland hate having a Conservative Prime Minister but Scotland controlled by the SNP with very little input from Westminster I understand.
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: klondike on August 03, 2022, 03:24:58 PM
I see no reason why England should concern itself with any border control whatever Scotland decides. If they want something new then they are the ones who need to organise, pay for and police the change. If they join the EU (they can't rejoin as Scotland was never a member) then it is up to Scotland and the EU to worry bout border issues. I doubt that England or the English care unless we start seeing loads of EU riffraff arriving here in which case a minefield should sort it.
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: Cassandra on August 03, 2022, 06:27:28 PM
Here's a promising income feed for Sturgeon. Whilst we wimpishly remain emeshed within the EU's sargasso sea of jobsworths and rules, evermore exposing more of our bared backsides to the ECHR and EU. Things are fast developing elsewhere. The ECHR denies Rwanda as an alternative to the hard pressed English, some would say very cleverly.

Every year say 70,000 plus inward asylum seeker's need accommodation. England is getting pretty full as France empties out. For example present Hotel stock is clearly nearly exhausted by sustaining these worthy souls and population density is presently 277 per sq kilometer. Scotland's is merely 64, one quarter by comparison.

We could print off the doughty Sturgeon some poons to build inmate entry camps as well as some new 'bargain basement' motels. She'd gain safe easy income in the process. A win win, for the trip the light fantastic Nicola as well. There would be a ready made work force to soak up all that expansion she's planning to sustain the future benefits a'coming the way of the Brave New Tartan world

And it doesn't stop there, oh no, she'd gain goodie two shoes points from Brussels for creating this seemingly limitless stream of loop the loop lolly. France (EU) supplies immigrants whilst in parallel emptying their shores of them. Then 'Hey presto', Scotland (EU) cops lot of lovely bawbee from their joint forever enemy England. As a side feature they both get to watch 'over the fence'  this neighbourly suicidal spectacle as it develops!

Such genius could influence an in/out decision to favourably regarding her European entry. Every cloud has a silver lining :wink:
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: Scrumpy on August 03, 2022, 06:29:18 PM
The EU care not about controlling any borders..
Blimey we would have illegal immigrants invading from all angles..
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: klondike on August 03, 2022, 07:30:47 PM
Quote from: Scrumpy on August 03, 2022, 06:29:18 PMBlimey we would have illegal immigrants invading from all angles..
Don't go giving them ideas  :nooo:

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Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: hugh on August 19, 2022, 12:04:10 PM
If they wish to rejoin the EU there would have to be an hard border. Reported on GBNews channel that 30% exports of Scotland comes to England and 15% to the EU so Scotland would be worse off export tax wise.
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: Michael Rolls on August 19, 2022, 06:02:13 PM
don't know where that came from - my understanding is that 60% or so of Scotland's trade is with the rest of the UK. A hard border would be a disaster for Scotland.
Mike
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: Countryman on August 19, 2022, 06:43:33 PM
Would we have to pay more for our Younger's Tartan?  :grin:

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Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: hugh on August 19, 2022, 06:47:16 PM
Hi Mike 60% or 30% still far higher than Scotland trade with the EU. Rejoining the EU would be a very costly exercise for Scotland. Just wondering if Liz will give Scotland a vote on devolution :?: :?: there won't be one for a referendum.
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: Michael Rolls on August 19, 2022, 10:35:18 PM
She and t'other one (why can I never remember his name?) have both said no to indyref2 - but we shall see.
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: Alex on August 20, 2022, 12:11:14 AM
Wee Nicola is on her way to Denmark to open Scotland's 8th foreign 'embassy'  This will cost Scottish tax payers £600,000 a year, but what a waste of money, is she just trying to undermine British Embassies ?
I'm sure there are many better ways to spend this money, at home in Scotland.
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: GrannyMac on August 20, 2022, 07:27:12 AM
I watched the Commonwealth games, where there are separate teams from the home nations. We supported them all, but our home nation first!  Now we have the European championships where those same athletes join together to compete for GB.  Earlier there was the World Championships, with a team from the UK.  Some train together across borders, and the relay teams in swimming and athletics contain individuals from across the UK.

Thats how I see our country, friendly rivalry (except when its fitba' and unfriendly), but also working together for the greater good.  If the SNP get their referendum, and win independence, I'd wish Scotland well. However, I believe the raised taxation they'd have to impose to fulfil their dream of a socialist utopia wouldn't be popular, and there may well be an exit south by some higher tax payers.  Or perhaps some pro independence wealthy ex pats like Brian Cox (actor) might return to help fill the coffers.

The name 'Scottish National' stirs the loyalty of many Scots, who  see 'England' as an oppressor. Those of us who have crossed borders realise that's not the case. In most divorces, a household's finances have to be split, the same income has to support two homes, two lots of costs that were previously shared. As the smaller nation, surely a complete split will impact negatively on Scotland's finances more than on the rest of the UK?  Or don't the SNP care?


Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: 1955vintage on August 20, 2022, 09:03:31 AM
The biggest issue if Scotland went aloe would be the sharing out of national debt. Would Scotland have a share of the costs of Covid, RBS and the other debt issues, or would it expect England to pay as usual. 

And would they finally pay back the Darien bale out? Plus interest.
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: hugh on August 20, 2022, 09:47:23 AM
It seems to me Scotland getting far to much money from Westminster.

Liz Truss says one of her jobs will be Minister of the Union. Just what does that mean for Scotland  :?: will it mean reducing Nicola power  :?: interesting times ahead.
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: Alex on August 20, 2022, 10:32:30 AM
GM "  Or don't the SNP care? "
You're probably right there GM, a lot of SNP voters do care, of course they do, but I've always thought Sturgeon was full of her own self importance and is the wrong person to be in charge of Scotland's future.
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: GrannyMac on August 21, 2022, 08:52:25 AM
I think you're right Alex.  The money spent on embassies would perhaps be better directed at reducing drug misuse and the highest death rate in Europe.  Reading about drug deaths in Scotland, it's attributed to poverty. Yet Wales has the highest rate of poverty in the UK followed by England.  For every £1 England has to spend per person, Scotland currently spends £1.30. 
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: hugh on August 21, 2022, 03:43:54 PM
Scotland would be far better off getting rid of Nicola and the SNP. They are getting a lot of money which is being wasted. 
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: klondike on August 21, 2022, 03:54:23 PM
I'm intrigued by this talk of embassies. Is there such a thing as Scottish citizenship then? I thought we were all British. Can  I be an English citizen instead or is this yet another option offered the Scots and denied to us poor oppressed English (such as having no parliament of our own).
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: Michael Rolls on August 21, 2022, 05:02:15 PM
SNP grandstanding
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: klondike on August 21, 2022, 06:40:35 PM
Coming from Northampton I know quite a bit about grandstanding.

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Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: Michael Rolls on August 22, 2022, 06:40:22 AM
what on earth is a council doing getting involved with something like that?
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: Cassandra on October 01, 2022, 07:38:19 PM
As Krankie's joining the EU, another N.I. protocol scenario surfaces, but this time in reverse. Mind you England might be able to do a nifty deal in this way?  Scotland would take up all Dover's inward boat people thereby boosting flagging population problems.  A win, win for the land of the caber, around £200k for each asylum seeker taking the 'high road' from Dover (renewable every year on the gold standard reliability of the triple lock advance from Westminster), lubbly jubbly. Lots of 'pop-up' mosques appearing like toadstools. The Glens with the pipes tunefully competing with the call to prayer, every Friday, something to look forward too, a modern dream for Nicola's globalists. Suachiehall Street the new European Mecca for multicultural welcome, the revamped Highland Games with beheadings as top of the Bill!
Title: Re: If Scotland Got Independence
Post by: Raven on October 01, 2022, 08:03:52 PM
Good Grief, The Jacobites would be rallying once again.  :yell:  :angry:  :duel: