Meanwhile over the pond...

In New York, a man hears a burglar breaking into his home. He calls the police. 45 minutes later the police arrive to find the man and his wife dead, and nobody else in the house and all of their belongings gone.

In Tennessee, a man hears a burglar breaking into his house. He calls the police. While on the line, the police dispatcher hears 13 "bangs" from a gun. The man on the phone says, "don't hurry - I got 'em." When the police arrive the find a dead burglar with 13 bullet holes - all center-mass, with about a 2″ group. The police officer says: "Nice grouping!"

In Texas, a man hears a burglar breaking into his house. He calls the police. While on the line the police dispatcher hears 7 very loud 'bangs', followed by the sound of a magazine hitting the floor, and the click of another magazine going into the handle and the slide slamming shut. Then he hears another 7 loud bangs, followed by the same sounds as before. The man says, "no need to hurry, I got him!" When the police arrive, they find a dead burglar with 14 holes in his head, in 2 small groupings. The police officer says: "nice groupings, but next time take a breath between reloads and you can get them all in the same group..."

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Quote from: Alex on Today at 08:10:11 PMKhan was booed and heckled when the result was announced, still with that smug grin on his face.

Meanwhile in Bradford, his muslim brothers celebrate another win, I'm sure there were Pakistani flags draped around some of them.  God help this country

https://twitter.com/i/status/1786722982011806020

This made my blood boil 

The Green Party stinks too 

https://x.com/joshxhowie/status/1786691050137935904

Quote from: JBR on Today at 08:28:56 PMOther cities will follow.
Our country is becoming - and almost certainly will become - a majority muslim nation in time.
We can all see it coming, and yet for some reason most people are afraid of supporting the people who will do something to stop it.

10 years go I warned about this & was ridiculed, on the other forum, so to paraphrase Nigel Farage's speech to the EU just after the 16th June 2016.

"Isn't it funny? When I told you 10 years ago that the UK would become an Islamic country you all laughed at me – well I have to say, you're not laughing now, are you?"

Quote from: Diasi on Today at 07:17:46 PMThanks Cassandra for expanding on this.

Correct if I'm wrong but my understanding is that you can use force, including lethal force, if an intruder leads you to believe that they are armed even if they turn out not to be, under the CPS rules of not having to wait to be actually attacked.

It must be quite refreshing to now live in a country where you don't have to stand placidly while an intruder attacks you or risk a life sentence if you protect yourself.

Hear hear.
Having heard about instances of people being prosecuted for simply defending themselves, it is reassuring to learn that British Justice can, at least sometimes, come down on the right side.

Quote from: Cassandra on Today at 03:18:45 PMHe will win by a mile, too many muslims now in London to be countered by the rest. This is why he was installed by Blair, who then imported millions of supporters from Pakistan etc, to ensure his residence until he decides to relinquish it to 'Khan 2'.

Additionally the gathering of 'proxy postal votes' at many mosques is a well known activity today, where this sphere of influence is an established social doctrine.

Eventually this profile will convert the whole of the the UK to the paradigm of Islamic Sharia Law. Khan is the prototype Caliph for the UK and eventually Europe.

He will indeed, especially because of the 'proxy postal votes', and we all know how that works.
As Alex added later, the same has happened in Bradford, for obvious reasons.

Other cities will follow.
Our country is becoming - and almost certainly will become - a majority muslim nation in time.
We can all see it coming, and yet for some reason most people are afraid of supporting the people who will do something to stop it.

I apologise for saying this again, especially to the young people who will be the ones to suffer, but unless those who yet form the majority in this country wake up and see the consequences they, or their offspring, will be the ones to suffer.

Khan was booed and heckled when the result was announced, still with that smug grin on his face.

Meanwhile in Bradford, his muslim brothers celebrate another win, I'm sure there were Pakistani flags draped around some of them.  God help this country

https://twitter.com/i/status/1786722982011806020

Quote from: Scrumpy on Today at 11:06:55 AMI wouldn't hesitate to fire a crossbow at anyone who i thought could be threat to my family..  And I bet most parents would feel the same..
I certainly hope that I wouldn't just lay there and hope that they go away..
I would fire ... no time to ask questions.. 'Are you friend or foe' ?.. 'Are you going to hurt me or my family' ?
The questions can come later..
It is they who are up to no good.. not me..
I feel strongly about this topic..

ps.  Does the crossbow come in red.. ?

The bolt comes in red after it's been fired. 

Quote from: Cassandra on Today at 05:29:41 PMI think he comes over well because he only answers 'put up' questions by left leaning media organs. I've never known anyone to rile me more just by the sight of them. Horrible little hook nosed, imported parasite.

Hall is a 'One Nation Tory', born from the didactic parents of local council and London Assembly posts. An unsupported nobody, going nowhere.

I'm glad it's just not me who refers to him as hook-nosed in my posts about him. 

Quote from: Cassandra on Today at 02:56:32 PMSection 3(1) of the Criminal Law Act 1967 states that:

"any person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in preventing a crime or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large."

Reasonable force can be adopted to "prevent a crime".

Also subsection 5, of Section 76 refers to intoxication (another case).

Of course all English Law is subsidiary to the Human Rights Act 1998, article 2 of which states that:

"Everyone's right to life shall be protected by law. No-one shall be deprived of his life intentionally save in the execution of a sentence of court following his conviction of a crime for which this penalty is provided by law."

"Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of the Article when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:

a. In defence of any person from unlawful violence;

b. In order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person lawfully detained;

c. In action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection."

To sum up, in the case referred to if you arrive 'tooled up' to support an act of burglary, you would expect in some cases to be repelled by assisted physical restraint and judges would so instruct jurors to contain this fact within their judgement. Arguably a Farmer's shotgun is a physical repellant. However within all judgements is the facet of 'reasonable force'. In this instance is a farmer owning a shotgun for say wildlife protection and pest control, justified to express this instrument as an item of reasonable force in defence of his person and property when confronted with 'armed' intruders? Herein is the argument for breaching the HRA 1998, however I defended on many occasions where farmers were discharged for the utility of a shotgun in an act of self defence. The law needs clarity and in todays 'washy-wokey' clamour for criminal liberty, the plaudits for clearing up legitimate armed response will never be changed.

The ungodly can fully expect that in 'knocking off a farm' they may encounter an armed response as most farmers own shotguns. I have successfully argued that within this act they compel the farmer to  resort to shooting in response. Sometimes many intruders target their properties and even if only one is armed the farmer is justified in assuming all invaders are similarly equipped.

Thanks Cassandra for expanding on this.

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that you can use force, including lethal force, if an intruder leads you to believe that they are armed even if they turn out not to be, under the CPS rules of not having to wait to be actually attacked.

It must be quite refreshing to now live in a country where you don't have to stand placidly while an intruder attacks you or risk a life sentence if you protect yourself.