Whilst the Lords are now debating the so-called Rwanda treaty, the Home Office are now advertising for private boat owners to enter the Channel to help collect would-be illegal immigrants and help them to come to our shores.
Why?
Perhaps they're preparing for Sir Kneel to form the next government and demand yet more illegal immigrants to come and vote for his party for many years yet to come.
I've just been reading about this, at a cost of 36 million !
'The Home Office has been forced to charter private patrol boats for a year at a cost of £36 million to help the Border Force pick up migrants in the Channel.
The department has resorted to procuring vessels from the private sector on a temporary basis as it quietly revealed a further two-year delay in its plans to replace the UK's current fleet of Border Force cutters.
Work to replace the five cutters and six coastal patrol vessels will not start until March 2026 — four years later than originally planned.
The Times
https://youtu.be/WU7uWd3AwWo?
Why don't they just send out a couple of cruise ships and be done with it..
Better still.. Start work on a massive suspension bridge .. with 5* train offering food.. drink.. mobile phones.. medical attention and sauna thrown in..
Quote from: Scrumpy on January 22, 2024, 05:12:24 PMWhy don't they just send out a couple of cruise ships and be done with it..
Better still.. Start work on a massive suspension bridge .. with 5* train offering food.. drink.. mobile phones.. medical attention and sauna thrown in..
We could ask Michael Portillo to review it.
In all seriousness, I'm afraid I give up.
Not only the Conservatives, now the Home Office as well. Later this year the Labour party will offer even more support.
I'm afraid that it will never cease and the Rwanda nonsense will never start, of course.
I feel rather sorry for the young people of this country.
The young people of this country will be fine.. They are used to mixed races..
My grandchildren Martha and Hattie have many friends of different race and culture.. Those I have met are lovely people..
Our time was completely different.. The only intruders were the travellers parking up where they liked and nicking the tarmac from the M25..
It's a different world, as was my youth.. My mother was shocked at times as to what our lot were getting up to..
We travelled.. Women drove motors.. and we stopped wearing aprons that tied us to the kitchen..
Each generation has/had it's own problems..
AND, here's another problem for todays young. it was on Breakfast TV before I went off to the pool and it's in the papers. As you say they are different to us when we were the younger generation, and are very different to our parents, the generation that was "called up" to fight in WW2. How will they cope? all the transgender nonsense and the gays, and human rights ect ect the list goes on.
Then there's the migrants pouring into this country, are they going to fight? OR, are they going to skuttle off and look for another country to try and escape to. Bloody Putin, I hope someone puts him down.
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Quote from: Raven on January 24, 2024, 12:13:48 PMAND, here's another problem for todays young. it was on Breakfast TV before I went off to the pool and it's in the papers. As you say they are different to us when we were the younger generation, and are very different to our parents, the generation that was "called up" to fight in WW2. How will they cope? all the transgender nonsense and the gays, and human rights ect ect the list goes on.
Then there's the migrants pouring into this country, are they going to fight? OR, are they going to skuttle off and look for another country to try and escape to. Bloody Putin, I hope someone puts him down.
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I am sure that, should there be a call-up in a desperate attempt to restore some numbers to our now-depleted armed forces, the majority of young British people would rather go to prison than agree to fight. Having said that, all the prisons are full anyway, so how would they be punished?
The powers that be have managed to ruin this country in so many different ways in their yearning for 'equality and diversity' and their 'nett zero' nonsense, that I cannot see us ever restoring it to how it once was.
Maybe we ought to take a leaf out of Hamas' books and build a load of tunnels so the law abiding ethical fold like us can live down there.
Don't panic. I'm Ready. They won't like it up 'em.
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I wrote this many years back.. Something to make you smile. Klondike's pic reminded me.
We'll Protect our Borders
Me and my boy Pike.
We'll bring along the others
But we can not work at night.
You see , Jonesy gets excited and wants to fight each one
The Fuzzy Wuzzies.. Frenchies.. Kaiser Bill
And all the Hun.
Wilson doesn't have what it takes
He's been brought up to care
He tells them in a very posh voice
'Would you mind awfully standing there'
And then there's Godfrey, long in the tooth
He really should be gone
He worries about sister Dolly
Who bakes the perfect scone.
We have a cannon set in place
But Pike was taken short
Someone shouts 'We're all doomed'
Pike say's 'It's not MY fault'
'Oh be quiet you stupid boy... You forgot to fire the gun'
'You shouldn't talk like that to me
I'm going to tell my mum'
Walker leans against a wall
He says 'It's all a folly'
Then with a wink says
'I'm off home ... with some blokes in a lorry'.
Jones pipes up 'Permission to speak'
He salutes says 'Snakes alive'
'I think we're facing the wrong way'
'The gun is aimed at Hythe'!
'Time to go.. it's time for tea..
Mrs Mainwaring the door will lock
Oh blast.. the bus is crowded
We'll have to ride on top'
Not perfect .. but good fun..
I enjoyed it and it was pretty much spot on with the characters too.
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The truth being we have not progressed from Dad's Army.
We have no idea what we are doing..
We send our lifeboats to help the illegal invaders, which I might add , the public keep afloat.. And now the government are asking for the small boats to step in..
When it all boils down ,the government are doing bugger all .. Other then sending loads of our money to France and Rwanda.. Bloody shambles..
🎶Souhaite-moi bonne chance en me disant au revoir.
Chéri oh, je continue mon chemin.🎶
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Oh, I'm sure our government and civil service know what's best for the country.
Just because I don't understand them, it doesn't mean they're wrong! 😉
I don't think it's that the public don't understand the politicians and the Home Office. The reverse is the case and that's the problem. We should be more like the French and take to the streets.
Quote from: klondike on January 25, 2024, 03:00:37 PMI don't think it's that the public don't understand the politicians and the Home Office. The reverse is the case and that's the problem. We should be more like the French and take to the streets.
Well, they do that down in Londonistan, but it seems that you have to wave Palestine flags!
I truly despair of the way this country is headend - and our so called leaders seem no have idea
Quote from: Michael Rolls on January 25, 2024, 05:54:41 PMI truly despair of the way this country is headend - and our so called leaders seem no have idea
Me too. I'm glad that I'm the age I am, because I shudder to think what the country will be like in twenty years.
Quote from: JBR on January 25, 2024, 07:38:28 PMMe too. I'm glad that I'm the age I am, because I shudder to think what the country will be like in twenty years.
I am too.
But I suppose the ethnic Brit kids that grow up in the UK's multicultural shithole won't know anything different & eventually there won't be any ethnic Brit kids so it won't matter.
Differing ethnicities as such don't bother me, my kids had non white boy/girlfriends in their younger days, and I've had non white colleagues who have been perfectly fine. They were integrated, and lived like we did, decent behaviour, standards and values, hard working etc. But this is a whole different ballgame!
Quote from: Diasi on January 25, 2024, 07:44:57 PMI am too.
But I suppose the ethnic Brit kids that grow up in the UK's multicultural shithole won't know anything different & eventually there won't be any ethnic Brit kids so it won't matter.
I agree with Granny that Marge and I have friends and people on whom we rely (Doctors, Opticians, Dentists, etc) who are non-white.
On the other hand, I can foresee the distinct possibility that if this continued influx of people from the third-world is certain to change the country we live in. I think it's simply a matter of how much. I would certainly hate to see this country become majority non-white and, worse, minority white-British.
I have always (until recently) regarded this country as something of which to be proud. I'm afraid, however, that it is now beginning to become rather embarrassing when I compare it to some other countries.
Remember that song The Melting Pot ? Like any pot, it will boil over if you put too many ingredients in it.
There are good black doctors, engineers and other professions and most of us can count a black person in our circle of friends or colleagues, or even the friendly fella who delivers our post, the majority are second generation..
Unfortunately, what we are importing now is not people who will 'make something' of their lives and contribute. What we are getting now is rapists, violent people, people who defecate in the street, people who expose their genitals. People who will desecrate Christian churches, people who just want the benefits they've heard about.
I don't think I'm exaggerating. :sad:
To be fair I haven't come across any of those but I don't doubt there will be some. We grow our own too though unfortunately. Available in all shades.
Absolutely. You are not exaggerating, Alex.
The illegal invaders seem to come mostly by either boats across the Channel or in lorries on ferries.
The telling thing is that they destroy any identification.
If they have nothing to hide regarding their origin, why destroy any ID?
The answer is that they come from what are considered to be safe countries and so do not qualify for admission to the UK as asylum seekers.
In fact, any person coming from France should be regarded exactly the same.
It is one thing importing foreigners who would be an asset to this country, but permitting continued access to the dross of the world is as dangerous as admitting potential criminals and terrorists.
Neither of our 'two main parties' would put a stop to this virtual suicide of our nation.
Quote from: klondike on January 26, 2024, 02:30:52 PMTo be fair I haven't come across any of those but I don't doubt there will be some. We grow our own too though unfortunately. Available in all shades.
I agree we grow our own, which makes it senseless to import foreign ones too.
:grin: :grin: :grin: Home grown is always best.
Quote from: Alex on January 26, 2024, 03:21:05 PMI agree we grow our own, which makes it senseless to import foreign ones too.
This. But who's listening? Not Rishi. And we'll get more with Kier. 😨
Quote from: GrannyMac on January 26, 2024, 05:49:41 PMThis. But who's listening? Not Rishi. And we'll get more with Kier. 😨
I'm hoping that we'll get a lot less with Reform!
I'm not holding my breath!
Even if Reform only get a couple of MPs, it's a start.
The outcome of the next election could be important if we want a government closer atuned to the common man. Not that we'll get one after it but there is a chance we could at the one after that.
The Conservative party needs wiping out. Once they are history there is a chance that a populist party may arise that can attract the traditional labour voters along with those who vote Conservative now because they can't stand the champagne socialists and their profligate wasting of other people's money.
More likely though is that the Tories will get a drubbing but not enough for a wipeout and Labbour will produce the same high tax and nothing works as we have now but slightly worse. With a possible irrelevant swap back at the one after that.
Nothing to see here folks. Business as usual. Please move along.
Quote from: klondike on January 26, 2024, 10:57:01 PMThe outcome of the next election could be important if we want a government closer atuned to the common man. Not that we'll get one after it but there is a chance we could at the one after that.
The Conservative party needs wiping out. Once they are history there is a chance that a populist party may arise that can attract the traditional labour voters along with those who vote Conservative now because they can't stand the champagne socialists and their profligate wasting of other people's money.
More likely though is that the Tories will get a drubbing but not enough for a wipeout and Labbour will produce the same high tax and nothing works as we have now but slightly worse. With a possible irrelevant swap back at the one after that.
Nothing to see here folks. Business as usual. Please move along.
I think you've hit the nail on the head here, Klon.
For a very long time now in this country, we have had a two-party system. No-one ever mentions the Liberals, although in Scotland there is a competing party the SNP, though there it could still be seen as a two-party system along with Labour.
As I have said many times, I'd love to see a new party come along which could offer something different from the 'two main parties' who, at least recently (since the 1990s) have been a total lack of any good for the country.
I agree with you, and accept that the next government is likely to be that of the Labour party. They, I am absolutely certain, will create an even worse situation than what has developed now. The real problem, as I intimated initially, is that we are so used to having only two real choices of government, but I still have high hopes that having seen the forthcoming disaster of Labour the majority of voters will finally realise that it is time to take the opportunity of a new centre-right political party.
Quote from: Alex on January 26, 2024, 10:48:50 PMEven if Reform only get a couple of MPs, it's a start.
I can't see Reform getting any MPs, I'm a member of Reform & will intend voting for them as I walk to the polling station but once I'm looking at the ballot paper I may well think that a vote for Reform will be a vote for Labour.
However, I have the ability to vote for Reform as I live in a constituency with a huge Conservative majority which is highly unlikely to be overturned.
It's that sort of thinking that lead to the shitfest that makes up the current Conservative parliamentary party.
I live in a marginal so the Tories are toast anyway but they'd get my vote regardless.
By they I mean Reform.
Most people don't take a great interest in politics. That explains how the politicians get away with so much and how they can foist people on us who represent outside interests and themselves before any of us.
If past performance is anything to go on, the conservatives will actually win again but either with a tiny majority or even as largest party in a minority.
But for me, after 13 years of bad government and knowing how bad the labour party is I shall vote reform if they put up a candidate. The constituency where I vote has been a safe labour seat since it was drawn up and we have the usual career scrounger in the chair who will probably be re-elected again to the trough.
Quote from: Diasi on January 27, 2024, 08:35:27 AMI can't see Reform getting any MPs, I'm a member of Reform & will intend voting for them as I walk to the polling station but once I'm looking at the ballot paper I may well think that a vote for Reform will be a vote for Labour.
However, I have the ability to vote for Reform as I live in a constituency with a huge Conservative majority which is highly unlikely to be overturned.
This is a lot different from the 2019 election though. I just think a lot of Tory voters will
not vote Labour, they dislike Sunak and his party so where do they go ? As for thinking a vote for Reform is a vote for Labour, well Labour's going to win anyway aren't they ?
I apologise for my earlier mistake. The constituency in which I live has always voted for Conservative or Liberal. Presently we have a Conservative MP who is pretty pointless; I don't think she ever speaks in parliament, just sits there and takes her money. I have on a few occasions written to her and she has dutifully replied with a pre-written letter which is obviously something produced centrally for all voters who ask the predicted questions. All she needs is a printer and some stamps!
Naturally, my area will vote Liberal yet again this year, but not I. I shall vote for Reform, and if my vote makes no difference at all, I am content that it has not supported Conservative, Labour or Liberal. It will, however, join in the totals recorded for Reform.
We live in a democracy and we can vote for whoever we like. If most people continue to vote for the 'two main parties', they are obviously happy to continue what has been happening ever since Bliar became PM. I shall feel no guilt whatsoever.
My area has been Labour ever since there was a large increase of students, previously it was Tory. I do think students should not be allowed to vote in the town where they study.
Quote from: Alex on January 27, 2024, 10:32:00 AMThis is a lot different from the 2019 election though. I just think a lot of Tory voters will not vote Labour, they dislike Sunak and his party so where do they go ? As for thinking a vote for Reform is a vote for Labour, well Labour's going to win anyway aren't they ?
I'm not yet fully convinced that Labour will win, but a vote for Reform could increase the Labour majority if they did win.
January 27, 2024, 01:31:26 PMQuote from: Alex on January 27, 2024, 12:36:35 PMMy area has been Labour ever since there was a large increase of students, previously it was Tory. I do think students should not be allowed to vote in the town where they study.
I couldn't agree more, they have no investment or even interest in the area.
I was unaware of the student voting situation. Given the existence of postal voting, it seems totally unnecessary.
I live in what was known as the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire. Our ward in this constituency has had Labour, Lib Dem and Green Councillors in the last 20 years. Green atm. They have not rested on their laurels unlike Labour, they litter pick and are fairly responsive to local issues. Not a Tory in sight! The constituency boundaries were changed, and although lots of gentrification has happened in our bit, with a big increase in professionals moving in, the rest of it is very ethnically diverse, and a real Labour stronghold. Can't see that changing. Our MP was selected to the very safe seat when the previous incumbent, who was her husband, died. Touch of nepotism maybe?
I'll vote Reform, for all the good it'll do.
I wonder how many students, when registering to vote in their temporary locality, 'forget' to cancel their name on the roll in their home location.
Double the power of your vote!
vote early, vote often!
Quote from: Michael Rolls on January 28, 2024, 03:35:08 AMvote early, vote often!
Exactly. I've asked Biden for tips on how he did it. Hopefully he might not be too far gone and might remember.
The Electoral Commission has warned of a "troubling" rise in alleged voter fraud amid suggestions that Labour in particular could have been boosted at the general election by students voting for them twice.
Students are legally allowed to register at both their university address and their home address, but must only vote in one location.
However, some have reportedly admitted that they voted twice for Labour in order to boost the party's chances at the election.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/student-jeremy-corbyn-vote-twice-fraud-general-election-electoral-commission-home-university-addresses-a7846516.html
Quote from: klondike on January 28, 2024, 09:50:09 AMThe Electoral Commission has warned of a "troubling" rise in alleged voter fraud amid suggestions that Labour in particular could have been boosted at the general election by students voting for them twice.
Students are legally allowed to register at both their university address and their home address, but must only vote in one location.
However, some have reportedly admitted that they voted twice for Labour in order to boost the party's chances at the election.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/student-jeremy-corbyn-vote-twice-fraud-general-election-electoral-commission-home-university-addresses-a7846516.html
Absolutely, as I mentioned earlier.
The Tories, whilst they're still in office, should do something about this. It is illegal anyway. Of course, I don't think they actually do anything at all.
Labour, of course will certainly ignore it, and benefit from it.
That report was serveral years old and I've heard nothing about any clampdown.
January 28, 2024, 11:35:27 AM
Just came across this prediction of the seats with current YouGov polling...
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https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1750491024969928891
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Quote from: klondike on January 28, 2024, 11:27:55 AMThat report was serveral years old and I've heard nothing about any clampdown.
January 28, 2024, 11:35:27 AM
Just came across this prediction of the seats with current YouGov polling...
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https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1750491024969928891
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If this turns out to be accurate, then I give up. The people of this country will get exactly what they deserve.
The only possible good side of this would be that Labour would make such a hash of it (of that I am certain) that the reverse will take place four years on. At that time, it is just possible that most people of this country will eventually see sense, and Reform will be elected.
However, there is - and will be - so much damage done to this country that it may never rise again! 😢
All the more reason to vote Reform because Labour will win anyway !
I think that particular analysis is mostly BS but I also see no chance of the Tories retaining power and they certaibly don't deserve to either.
I agree with Diasi Voting reform is a vote for Labour..
We are torn between the devil and the deep blue sea..
Conservatives have let us down.. They were an embarrassment during Covid.. They thought they were clever, but clearly not..
Labour will sink us.. completely.. Allowing and encouraging (invaders) from other countries..
The problem with these rich MPs is that , when all is lost, they can move to a country of their choice.. Leaving the (little man) to put up with it..
Labour is on course to win by a large majority, they don't really need the 'help' from Reform voters, they're going to win anyway.
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Quote from: Scrumpy on January 28, 2024, 11:57:02 AMI agree with Diasi Voting reform is a vote for Labour..
i beg to differ.
A vote for Reform is a vote for
Reform.
Those who vote for Labour are the ones responsible for further destroying our country, not I.
And I'll repeat that the vote Reform get Labour thinking is exactly why we have a completely useless Conservative government. With people thinking and worse behaving that way the Tories have no need at all to even try. And it's bloody obvious that they don't. Chuck them into history. Chuck Labour after them at the election after next.
Whoever gets in won't affect us much, in fact Labour may raise the personal tax allowance which will help some pensioners. Not sure about the triple lock though. A change of govt probably won't affect our children much either, mine are in their 50s and are heading for retirement themselves in a few years. But what about our grandchildren? Perhaps they'll seize opportunities elsewhere? My 15year old grandson is already looking at what career will afford him a good living, abroad if needs be.
It's about time we planned for the future. That's why a say ... vote for the Islamic Republic.
You know it makes sense.
PMQ in a few years time....
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Quote from: GrannyMac on January 28, 2024, 02:22:27 PMWhoever gets in won't affect us much, in fact Labour may raise the personal tax allowance which will help some pensioners. Not sure about the triple lock though. A change of govt probably won't affect our children much either, mine are in their 50s and are heading for retirement themselves in a few years. But what about our grandchildren? Perhaps they'll seize opportunities elsewhere? My 15year old grandson is already looking at what career will afford him a good living, abroad if needs be.
Yes, Labour may raise the personal tax allowances. Unfortunately, it is rather pointless assuming what they will do, because Starmer says one thing then a completely opposite thing. He really doesn't know what to do!
We shall see.
Very wise of your grandson, and many others like him if they think the same way. I firmly believe that things in this country are going to continue to get worse after Labour get in, and all young people who are considering their careers and future lives should really think about gaining qualifications and experience which will make them attractive to employers in other countries.